Thinking about purchasing my first tractor. Any insight is greatly appreciated.

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by [DAMAGED GOODS], Mar 22, 2021.

  1. [DAMAGED GOODS]

    [DAMAGED GOODS] Bobtail Member

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    I'm looking to purchase a used tractor/semi for my first truck, to get started working for myself. With roughly 3 years of truck driving experience, I'm new to this and have no real clue about a lot of things. I was looking at buying a 10 year old Kenworth, with 610,000 miles on it, for around $30,000 cash. I have several questions that I could really use some guidance and knowledge on.

    1. What should I be concerned about/look for on a used semi purchase?

    2. Typically how many miles can a well maintained truck get before it starts having major issues? 700,000? 1,000,000 miles?

    3. Is Kenworth a good brand? I know that not all car brands are created equally or made with the same quality. So I would hate to purchase the equivalent of the ford pinto of semi trucks. (No offense to any ford guys)

    4. I know this can be a loaded question. But what are some good brands of semi trucks to purchase? Top 3 for affordability? Top 3 most reliable/dependable?

    5. How does it usually work with owner operators who work under/for another company? I've seen ads for "Now hiring owner operators, for up to $2.10 a mile." I assume that's because you're paying for your own insurance, maintenance, etc.

    6. What do owner operators make on an average per mile? What is a good pay rate to shoot for, at the least? Because we all want to make the most money possible, but I want to be realistic.

    7. What are some of the pitfalls of being an owner operator? What are some things to watch out for?

    8. Do I need a trailer if I go to work under another company as an owner operator? Or do they supply the trailer loaded and ready to go?

    9. Am I missing/forgetting anything?

    10. Is it possible to be an owner operator and still be home with the wife and kid in weekends at least? Or home every night?

    * I don't want to be gone all year. So before I make any big decisions, I want to be as informed as possible. Is it possible to be home every night or at least weekends, as an owner operator, and make good money? By good I mean more than a company driver who makes, let's says, $20 an hour with 40 hours a week. Or I'm I asking for to much? I'm willing to work longer hours. But it's been my experience, so far, that for the most part companies don't want to pay overtime so they limit you to 40 or less, usually.

    Any helpful thoughts and knowledge shared, will be greatly appreciated. Thank y'all for any help.
     
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  3. NorthEastTrucker

    NorthEastTrucker Medium Load Member

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    1st off, if you truly research ads on indeed or other sources you will find local Cdl jobs that pay more than $20/hr. Some start at even $26/hr home daily. You also wrote, that you don't want to be gone all year but when you're an O/O you have to have the mindset as a Businessman first and by all means what's needed to make it work for your business so if bad times occur you might have to be out as long as it takes. That could even mean a couple months straight carrying loads coast to coast. IMO a driver who has at least 5 years of various experience and a good understanding of trucks should then become a O/O as well as having that reserve fund of 1/3rd plus of the initial cost if buying a Used Truck because something will eventually give. A O/O can't afford to be on the side of the interstate trying to negotiate a lesser tow rate because they can barely scrape up enough money for the garage bill.
     
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  4. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    Save your money. Drive for someone else.
     
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  5. slow.rider

    slow.rider Road Train Member

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    1. Generally speaking, a bad deal on a good truck is better than a good deal on a bad truck.

    2. Meticulously maintained by an owner op, they can get way over a mil. 1.3 mil is definitely possible and I think I recall one guy saying he got 2 mil. But then you can rebuild or replace the engine and get even more.

    3. Kenworth is good, but there's better choices for a first truck in my opinion.

    4. I recommend a 12.7 Detroit for a first truck. Reliable, cheap parts, easy repairs, and a shop on every corner.

    5. Go with self-dispatch on percentage pay. You can do better than $2.10 most of the time these days, depending on where you live and where you run.

    6. Figure out your cost per mile and then add what you would want to earn if it were a company mileage gig. I figure my cost at $1.25, so if I want a minimum of $0.50 per mile personal income then $1.75 per mile is break even. Everything extra should be set aside for equipment upgrades and catastrophic repairs.

    7. You're already asking more questions than some owner ops ever even consider, so you already have a decent chance of success. The biggest downfalls are neglecting maintenance, overspending rather than saving, and getting stuck with a bad truck right out of the gate. Often all of the above.

    8. Depends on the company. Some can go either way.

    9. Yes. Always assume you're missing/forgetting something. Guys been driving ten years still miss/forget stuff. Make sure the gear ratio of your truck matches your driving style. Plenty of info on that (and most everything else) can be found in this forum via the search bar. Don't ever stop learning. At the very least, learn to handle tiny repairs such as lights, wiper blades, mud flaps, etcetera. That can save you some cash and more importantly, time. If you have to pay for little stuff, try to have the work done somewhere where you can watch and learn, so you can do it yourself next time. That way, instead of an overpriced repair, now it's a cheap education.

    10. Yes. But don't just expect to make a fortune as an owner op pulling a dry van. The path to success lies thru either upgrading to higher paying freight, or building a fleet. Or both. But the first step might just be to get a truck paid off while you build a foundation of experience-based knowledge, and then start growing from there.

    * depending on where you live, you might be able to score some runs that pass by the house. Then if you can manage a schedule such as 11 on, 3 off, with a couple overnight stays at the house mixed in, you might be able to score some long weekend runs and still bag halfway decent home time. The sixth and seventh days of the week are where the money is really at.
     
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  6. Frank Speak

    Frank Speak Road Train Member

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    My only advice is think about the amount of cash you expect to need to start your business and double that amount, at a minimum. Triple would be optimal.
     
  7. againstthewind

    againstthewind Road Train Member

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    dont listen to the guy who drives a 50k$ personal vehicle and tells you that you can never go home, he can never go home so he just assumes your an idiot too lol now cue the guy who says everything he has is paid for, as if he didnt have to go to work to pay for it lol
     
  8. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    O/O's can work however much they want. You should know that all truck manufacturers only make the cab. All the other parts (engine, tranny, frame, seats wheels glass etc) are made by other manufacturers. So, An Int'l with a Detroit or a Pete with a Detroit, the only diff is how the cab is made and assembled. I would vote Pete VS. Int'l because I've drive both. But you should consider the price diff and resale value. An O/O is a businessman as well as a truck driver. If you're home weekends and getting behind in income, you will need to roll that truck more often. Have fun !:biggrin_25516:
     
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  9. roundhouse

    roundhouse Road Train Member

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    There’s lots of ways to make money moving freight

    I know several people that are using sprinter vans or Chrysler minivans to haul expedited freight and say they are clearing 70 cents a mile after fuel.

    A lot of you’re success as an o o will depend on if you can fix the small stuff that goes wrong on your truck.

    you will go broke taking it to a shop for every minor repair.

    And you won’t be able to sit at home very long .
    It’s hard to sit at home for a few days or take a family vacation when you know that the insurance and permits for your truck are costing you $1,300 a week.

    that plus your lost revenue for the week is a lot of money.

    When I started as an o o in the early 90s I bought cabovers , they were practically free, and then when I bought conventionals. I bought Ford LTL 9000s because they had the same engine trans and axles as a Pete or KW, but were less than half price since it wasn’t a status truck.

    if you buy a used truck , look for maintenance records.
    Most o/o’s do not maintain the trucks or keep records.
    The best trucks I bought were from Ryder or some place that leased them, and maintained them and had maintenance records that you could look at before you bought the truck.
     
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  10. Gamecock Taylor

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    People will always project their own fears and insecurities onto you. I'm not offering any insight, but everytime someone asks a question about being an O/O you have naysayers enter the thread. There's many different ways to make and lose money, if you're committed and knowledgeable about what you're getting into that's all that matters.
     
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  11. Frank Speak

    Frank Speak Road Train Member

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    Who makes that part that goes “SPISHHHHHH” about every 15 seconds? I’d like to have a talk with that jackarse!

    When I was OTR, that used drive me nuts when one of those yahoos parked next to me.
     
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