What are your average rate.

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Ridgeline, Jan 25, 2024.

  1. PPLC

    PPLC Road Train Member

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    Rather than let your thread be hijacked by... whatever the above is:

    Obviously coming from a different side of the house, but rates are starting to creep back up. No idea how long this will go on, or will last, but the past few weeks I've been paying somewhat higher to get stuff done. This is the part of the down cycle which is painful for my end, but signals something better is *probably* coming along. A quick survey of full truckloads over the past month on the flatbed side (excluding short half day hauls) - I'm averaging $2.64 to the truck.

    Highest was $3.98/mi (rough lane); lowest was $1.92/mi (not so rough lane.)
     
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  3. Opendeckin

    Opendeckin Medium Load Member

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    About 2.20 per mile power only based on the current fuel surcharges.
     
  4. ihaveaquestion

    ihaveaquestion Medium Load Member

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    Pretty much. From my understanding which took a bit to understand like you, It's confusing because the brokers an idiot…
    after receiving the rate confirmation driver said wtf is going on here.. What's the $400 difference? That wasn't explained verbally or posted in the load details... So Just like you and I trying to understand the stuff going on, being a little confused, the driver started digging into it before hauling some BS… when the driver asked them about it they said not sure why there were two different truck rates of $3,000 or $2,600 perhaps error/omissions or mistake/confusion. The driver said forget all that or working with the BS people, redo the rate Here my authorities, cut out the BS, $3,000 pick up from shipper shearers foods in VA & going direct to Walmart DC in Temple, TX $2.77/mile, not $2.21… If not, not hauling the load will find something else. Driver cut out the broker and used them as a lead though lol, but because the driver was also a broker, the driver had all the authorities to still take the load, time valued money opportunity, made an offer on the spot, and saved himself from continuing to just sit around in Virginia. Ultimately everyone agreed whatever the driver wanted, the 9,000 pound shipment delivered, driver paid $3,000, not $2,600. That was the end of it.


    Also, my fault the driver was in Bristol going to Texas to see family. The driver was just looking to find something to go home, went on the load boards to see what was going on & ran into a double broker scammer probably selling him some BS.
     
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  5. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    It is a general question, nothing needs to be accurate or specific but I thank all that answered.
    This isn't about Brokers, it is about having new owners think about their averages and see where they can improve their operations.
    See this is a crybaby driver, the driver doesn't do all the work, the shipper does. As much as it sounds great, the driver is the most important in moving the freight but outside of that it takes a lot more than just putting it on the truck and go go go.
    Been trying to figure that out, I don't even think he knows.
    Well not really, the driver is, he can't find his own loads without the broker.
    Well, that's a breach of contract and the broker can sue the driver for end-running the load out from under the broker. The exit of the contract would not allow the driver to use the broker as a springboard for renegotiation of the load with the consigned party or the shipper. The driver has to abide by the agreed price or find a different load.

    On top of that, if the broker holds control over that load and is not a third party to the load, meaning the broker negotiated directly with the consigned party or the shipper and initiated putting that unique load on a load board, they can also sue the shipper for what is called Tortuous Interference of a Contract because the consigned party or the shipper is supposed to defer everything to the agent they engaged when it comes to that load and engaging a driver.

    I know you will add to this to work around those facts but I do this has happened, I think one of the tire companies in the south was sued for the latter while the broker went after both the carrier and driver for damages because they did an end-run around the broker after they agreed to the rate and the broker won.
     
  6. ihaveaquestion

    ihaveaquestion Medium Load Member

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    I didn’t broker the load or haul the load it’s just what the Driver told me last week sent me the screenshot of the ratecon with two different truck rates, told me the broker tried to scam him playing around with the rates. Them said he got the same load for $3000 made delivery and had to use his own broker authority. so maybe from him complaining so much they just gave him the load, co-brokered? basically said whatever go home and paid him the $400 difference.
     
  7. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    See I was right.

    So the broker isn't trying to scam anyone, the driver agreed to $2600 and got mad because the broker didn't offer the $3000 to him because it was on the rate con. Doesn't matter how many authorities he has, he screwed the broker and broke the contract without just cause because he is a crybaby.

    This brings up another issue, the reputation of the carrier and driver. Do that often and you will end up losing business.
     
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  8. ihaveaquestion

    ihaveaquestion Medium Load Member

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    So he agreed to $3000 thinking that that’s what he was getting paid.. Then when the rate con came back as we all see it driver realized I have to pay the 13% broker fee complained about it circumvented the broker hand over fist for the 13% broker rate. Basically scammed the broker $400. so the driver would’ve done the same thing to the broker if the load was $3500 or $3400
     
  9. Judge

    Judge Road Train Member

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  10. wichris

    wichris Road Train Member

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    Perfect example of why transparency is worthless.
    More than one broker out there that shows the whole rate minus commission.
     
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  11. lester

    lester Midwest's #1 Feed Hauler

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    6.42 last week all miles
     
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