Refusing to Haul a Dispatched Load

Discussion in 'Swift' started by Injun, Feb 15, 2011.

  1. Injun

    Injun Road Train Member

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    There are legitimate reasons to refuse a load after you've accepted it and hooked to the trailer.

    Hours of Service ain't it. You should know how many hours you have available and whether your clock will allow you time to safely haul that load. If you accepted the load and then realize you can't haul it because of hours, you may have opened yourself to a service failure.

    Too much time on the load....ain't it. You have the option to review the load before you accept it. If you believe there is too much time between pickup and delivery, talk to your DM about it. The load needs to be picked up. You can offer to your DM to go pick it up ($50 in your pocket) and take it to the yard, you may get an even better choice for doing that favor. But talk to your DM before accepting the load. If you accept it first, you are committing to pickup and delivery times.

    Here are some reasons to refuse to move a load:

    Your truck broke down or the trailer is damaged to make it unsafe to haul. Well, duh...

    The load was scaled incorrectly and it is impossible to make California legal....and it is going to, from or through California with no way to route around. (Scottied67 can attest to this) If it was only supposed to go through California say...Portland, OR to Phoenix, AZ, offer your DM an alternate route with the mileage difference and request to be routed that way. There are a few options to get from Portland to Phoenix without touching California. And most of them are much more pleasant than I-5 anyway. Enjoy the scenery. It's a beautiful ride.

    You suddenly came down with food poisoning and *brrraaaaacckk!!!!* can't haul it. But you better be telling the truth.

    The load is leaking oil (or some other substance) and you don't want the ticket. California is especially militant about this. This is the reason I am not going to Houston (we-have-a-problem) with that load I was dispatched on a while ago. I hooked to the trailer and did my pretrip inspection. Wait...what's this? Motor oil....hmmm.....where's it coming from? Looked under the trailer...it's leaking from between the floor boards of the trailer. Methinks there is something more than stainless steel inside that trailer. It was back in the corner awaiting a wash from the high-pressure hose. I'm thinkin' Dispatch knows about this....so I'm immediately on the phone with my DM.

    Long story longer, he pulled me off the load and told me go on ahead and take the paperwork back to the window. When I got there, I handed over the paperwork and surmised right away that the leaking trailer was not news to these guys. I ferreted the story out of them. Apparently, the driver who dropped it knew about the leak and said something to dispatch about it. They had the security guard go take a look at it. He said it's just on the outside of the trailer and let's just wash it off. (I interjected at this point: "So now, he's a Haz-mat expert?") Anyway, they now know it is not a simple wash job. It is a return to shipper for proper packaging. Whether that is actually done or they, instead, find some poor sucker to haul it who isn't smart enough to pretrip his or her trailer remains to be seen. But...no service failure and no argument about it.

    There are other good reasons to refuse to haul a load after you've accepted it. Mostly stuff the shipper has control of. I've kind of left it open for others to bring in good reasons. But your DM needs to be part of the process. Storming into the terminal, slapping the paperwork on the counter and hollering about it probably won't get you very far.
     
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  3. scottied67

    scottied67 Road Train Member

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    Very informative Injun! This is the kind of stuff we newer drivers don't know and usually have to learn the hard way which costs money.
     
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  4. AZS

    AZS Honk if anything falls off

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    Thanks Injun, this is a good example of things never explained in training. Anything else? lol
     
  5. Rug_Trucker

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    Funny, a leaking load in Cali? Pull over to the pit. It just drains into the ground. Ask the DOT there!
     
  6. schmud0811

    schmud0811 Medium Load Member

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    i just usually refuse for hours of service..
    and put in macro 9 too many hours available for too few miles.
     
  7. Hamshoe

    Hamshoe Medium Load Member

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    I run whatever they send me.
     
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  8. Injun

    Injun Road Train Member

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    In this thread, I'm speaking about first accepting a load (Macro 9 response to the preplan is the time to refuse for HOS or whatever....or to accept the load) and then hooking to the trailer or arriving at the shipper. Then refusing to haul the load. After you've first accepted it.

    But you are right. In a way, too much time on the load could be considered an HOS issue. However, that's not quite what they had in mind for that. The question that should be answered there is: will hauling this load place you in violation of HOS rules? If not, HOS refusal does not apply. 95% of the time, the computer will just kick you loose of the load and send you the next most logical one. 5% of the time, a planner will look at your refusal and your reason, then have the &#$ with you for misuse of the Macro 9. Of course, if you are O/O or L/O, you can refuse for any or no reason. I just don't want my Company team members to wind up in dock with the boss. I kinda like working with most of you.

    Regarding simply accepting everything: you can still be the boss of your own boat. You only need a legitimate reason for refusal and contact with your DM. (I'm speaking to the Company side here.) If you don't have the hours to legally run it, don't feel pressured to do it. If you are supposed to be going home to Georgia in five days, you are sitting in Memphis and they send you a preplan to Idaho, you can refuse for hometime request. But these refusals need to be made with your Macro 9. Not after you've been dispatched and then realize...."Oh, crap! I can't make this one happen!"
     
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  9. hunnerbunner

    hunnerbunner Light Load Member

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    as do i. unless it's time for hometime or out of hours, i try to make it work. an accurate mac 10 and a quick message to the pod seems to keep me in good standing.

    i had an experience a few months ago with stacked preplans. got so excited, i just kept accepting them as they came. as sure as snot runs, the first load was a live load that took 6 FREEKING HOURS. of course that screws up everything downstream. some clever logging, split sleeper mumbo jumbo and a mac 22 and i was just an hour late on the following load, but that was the first and last time i accept more than one load at a time. a quick discussion with my dm at the time and now i don't get bothered if i only accept them one at a time. sure stressed me out though.

    to tie the story to the thread, even though i was stuck with a load i then realized i couldn't deliver on time, i was able to exercise several options to keep me from getting a service failure.

    1. message dm
    2. macro 22
    3. message dm some more
    4. learn from experience
     
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  10. Time

    Time Light Load Member

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    Good advice!

    Don't kid yourselves into thinking you can finagle it and then wait until the last minute to try and get out of it. You have to get it resolved ASAP, while there is still time to get it resolved. It takes at least 2 people who are (and would rather be) working on new loads; a DM or ECT and a planner. Depending on the circumstances, you could add a CSR, FM, TM, the customer, the JIT people . . the list can go on and on. They have to come up with and agree to a solution to a problem that probably could have been avoided. Time is of the essence!

    Try to be a part of the solution. If you discover a Friday problem on Wednesday, make sure everyone knows how much further you can move it. You, solo, are still half as good as a team solution, at least for the next 600 miles. They may give you that and they may not but don't take it and then wait to "discover" the problem on Thursday.

    Keep in mind that, while the little problem you're having may be your first time, everybody else on that list (except rookie DM's) has seen the problem a thousand times. Odds are pretty good that they know how to fix it and they also know who or what caused it. Nobody wants to see you fail(ed) but they can only help you out of it if they have time.
     
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  11. 1nonly

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    One time back when I still green and naive, I was awakened in the wee hours of the morning by a QC beep. I was between loads at the time, figured it could be a preplan, so I got out of bed to look (I usually ignore QC beeps when I'm sleeping.)

    Sure enough, preplan, for a repowered load. I could barely make it- would have to rush rush, but I accepted figuring someone was broke down or really really sick and this load needed hauled.

    I get to the truck stop, the first driver hasn't even bothered to drop the trailer yet, still has his lock on it, landing gear up, etc. He's back in the sleeper when I knocked, takes about 20 minutes just to get unhooked and give me the paperwork, then he tells me why he asked for a repower. You ready for this?




    HE DIDN'T WANT TO FINISH THE LOAD!!!!!!!!!




    He accepted the preplan, picked up the load, then decided he didn't want to haul it. So he got it repowered.

    I have no idea what he told Swift. He can't have told them the truth.

    So while he's lazing in the sleeper, I'm running my patooty off, no time to eat or even p, so I can get to the customer ontime.

    Which did not happen, cause my directions put me under a 12'9" bridge. I would have made it if I hadn't had to back up, call for good directions, and reroute myself.
     
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