Ok I'll ask what has E-Logs got to do with

Except all that is bogus!

Your supposition is removing the ability to lie about dock time (change to the split sleeper berth to the current 8-2 configuration) is there will be mass carnage. Well where is it. Come on show these rises in accidents you and those fools at OOIDA keep spouting about how people are being sacrificed daily in an effort to control your actions on public roads.


Quit bothering. Truth is accidents are down since the change despite the bilge spouted.

So your belief HOS in it's current state increases danger is proven flawed.



More truck's in ditch during adverse weather. Again statistics disprove your flawed theory.




Prices will sky rocket. Your basing this off what?

The cost of EOBR equipment?

Unlikely when the cost when factored across miles traveled is mere pennies.

Late loads?

Well since no change to the HOS accompanies the EOBR mandate those loads are late now unless the driver is non-compliant with the laws governing his use of public roads. While that may be lead to a shift of JIT strategies, it hardly makes a case for increased prices.

You doom and gloom of skyrocketing prices is equally flawed.

One size may not fit all, but all can fit into the regulations by teams, jump seating and an adjustment of logistical thinking.

 

There wouldn't be a need for elogs if the old timers didn't cheat and break the law all the time. Give him and inch and he wants a mile. Rail against it all you want to, but look in the mirror.

 

Where is the proof of what you post? I have seen numbers in both directions just depends on who is the source.
Will e logs make much differance with saftey? I dont think they will. It will be just one more thing I have to waste money on.

 

You dont really believe that do you?

 

well, like i already said, some people just don't get it, and you just proved my point even more.

Some people cannot make the simple connection of how high diesel prices hurt EVERYONE, not just truck drivers.

Keep on believing what you want, time will prove me right.

 

I know it is convenient and popular to malign an entire group of drivers, not to mention lazy to just parrot whatever falsehoods it is you have been taught, but try and do some critical thinking for yourself. The reasons for EOBRs are many and varied, however it is the large carriers with well populated "safety" departments upon whom EOBRs are being mandated. It isn't the small carriers. It isn't the O/O. It is the very carriers that most of you new(er) drivers are working for. So before you go tossing too many stones around your glass houses, you might want to reflect on that a little.

And when you're doing that, ruminate on crash statistics for a while too.

 

And all one has to do is look at the safetstat rating for these huge mega carriers with elogs to see it doesn't improve safety one bit over a smaller trucking outfit. In only improves HOS compliance because of being forced to abide by the rules

 

And the cost of diesel is gonna go up because people will run legal

Where does that leap come from? Talk about twisting the subject.



Goes right along with the lie they are telling drivers when to sleep. See the only activity restricted by the HOS is driving. But since that doesn't fit in the argument people twist it into a lie.



Diesel prices have nothing to do with HOS compliance and you #### well know it.





Besides most companies and drivers I know made more money when fuel was real high, and grabbed market share by getting ahead of the curve on fuel efficiency.

 

I think newer folks can share the blame on this. Perhaps diesel bear can verify it, but all my buddies in law enforcement have told me that inexperience and adaptability is the largest issue with most log violations.

The majority are 11/14/70 violations, basically due to not knowing how to do the math... while the old guys get popped for short-tripping or dropping trips to shave hours.

 

What I was saying is that some people cant see the big picture and how diesel prices affect the price of groceries. You can at least see that... I hope. And YES, Disesel prices just like everything can and WILL increase if elogs are mandated, it is a limited commodity with price fueled by supply and demand. When diesel along with everything else gets delivered late more often, the price will go up.

So I suggest you take a couple macroeconomics and microeconomics classes to see what really fuels prices of diesel or anything for that matter...or just keep ignoring and turning a blind eye to it..your choice.

Ok, getting back to the subject...

Trucking and logistics is still, to large extent, set up on the premise that the driver will get the freight there ON TIME NO MATTER WHAT.

If every truck at this moment were forced to run 100% legal or on elogs, it would be mass chaos. Yes I am coming right out and saying it, most people on paper logs don't run 100% legal, and do what they have to do to get it done.

So you work for a big company, and are out of hours, cant finish your load...they send another truck to cover you. Now you have two trucks tied up to get this one load done. What would that other truck have hauled if you wouldn't have tied him up. elogs will require more trucks on the road to comply and attempt to get deliveries done on time. More trucks=higher diesel prices=higher price increases.

I just outwitted you again and double proved my point.

My point is fix the system and address the problems before it gets shoved down our throats by the feds. I don't want to or need to run 4800 miles a week like a cowboy but at the same time I want to remain productive.