CR England for O/O??

Personal attacks? Where?

As far as the name calling, well, if the shoe fits, wear it. You deserve to be called a name if you think its a good idea to act like in this situation, no one can find success at CR England. It does happen, pal.
Maybe not by many, but it does happen. If you or so many others are too ignorant to understand that, then that's on you.

Hey, if they got good advice on certain things, I'd be more than willing to listen but I don't care how long you've been in the industry, giving advice on who's a bad company does not qualify as good advice if you've never worked for the company. I've never worked for swift, or prime, werner..... You won't see me giving advice on those companies. I've never flown the space shuttle before. In not gonna tell anyone how to do it, much less argue with an astronaut on how to fly it.

BTW, you may wanna rethink that "petulant child" comment. Why does it seem like every conversation I get into, you appear out nowhere with all your insults, arguments and just flat out rudeness. You think on that.

 

Hmmmmmmm

To the OP, based on hard facts and the reputation of said company, your plan would not be prudent IMHO.

As I said I have never leased there. I do know the cost of operation for a trucking business. Based on realistic numbers, the revenue generated by said lease will require many sacrifices I personally am not willing to make. You must decide if you want to work hard or smart.

Do lease operators make it there? I am sure they do, but they work harder and sacrifice more than is necessary for the prosperity of said company.

The law of averages does not make this a good choice even with limited or no knowledge. While some seem to think the only way to know fire is hot is to get burned, I don't agree. I have always been successful by watching others get burned and avoiding it. To each his own.

Please don't believe that is not possible to analyze something and realize that it is bad without experiencing it first hand. Wisdom is something only gained through experience. It is however possible to leverage the wisdom of others just as it is possible to leverage the money of others. Based on reputation, facts and numbers you have many better choices available.

 

This would be one example of a personal attack directed at me, "what I have to say far exceeds your mindless input." This would be another example of a personal attack and name-calling directed at me, "I like how you and so many other imbeciles like you say this crap". And this would be an example of another personal attack directed at me, "did big johns pathetic post really earn your thanks?"

Yes, some do succeed, but at what cost?

Everybody's information or advice should be weighed for what it's worth. The context it is given in, their experience and their credibility should all be considered when weighing the advice given. What you think is good advice someone else may think is bad and vice versa. This in no way gives anyone a right to ridicule or pick apart another person. As I said in my earlier post, not all of us have to be burned to know fire is hot.

This forum is a place to exchange ideas and information. A prudent person does not need us to put up a disclaimer that says, "This is just my opinion". As you will notice I did say I didn't have any first-hand knowledge. All my advice is given as take it for what it's worth to you. How is ridiculing a person who gives negative advice better than giving negative advice? It's not, it's worse. We all have opinions we are dying to share but most of us don't have to ridicule others to make our point.

I would respectfully suggest that anyone who thinks they are constantly bombarded with insults, arguments and rudeness should assess themselves and their posts for the reason. They may find a number of causes such as arguing with facts & common sense, arrogance or a general disregard for well know facts. Disclaimer: since I have no first hand knowledge, this is just my humble opinion.

 

I love the call to keep the thread on topic while then taking it over and taking it off topic. It's not your thread, quit complaining!

 

Since your not smart enough to figure it out let me try to translate my wisdom to you. I already see the problem with that statement... The unicorn is suppose to be a myth... a O/O not a lease wanna be that has the business smarts to get a truck free and clear surely isn't going to be silly enough to put a truck onto CRE. In my translations I was linking O/O's wanting to go with CRE to other mystical creatures like unicorns, but hey what do I know? Just because I have backed more miles than you have gone forward..... You by all rights and reckoning have more truck sense than me...

 

That is because you don't know jack about trucking. Your limited wet behind the ears knowledge of trucking shows in all your posts. We just try to keep drivers and newbies from making bad decisions in trucking, but a few like you slip thru the cracks..... People have a choice. Listen to seasoned, veteran drivers, or little snot nosed wannabes. That is what is great about the resources here. Intelligent people know who to listen too.

 

there are O/O's leased onto CRE. Not a lot but more than a handfull. What happens is they get a good lane as a company or lease driver and figure out that they can buy a truck, keep doing what they are doing and make a lot more money. I even thought of moving to the town I loaded out of and doing this. But in the several years at CRE I never meet an O/O that came in cold.

 

Talk about getting your news from a press release.

First, having been a CRE lease driver and made good money I would not recomend this company, company driver or Lease, to anyone.

With that said, there is a difference between "illegal" and losing over a contract dispute. CRE lost on a single point, so far. And won on other points. There contracts have changed and what you call "illegal" can now be done because the business relationship between CRE and the Leasing company has changed.

The sad part in all this is the only people that are going to make money on this will be the lawyers. Because the court did not say that the money is not owed to the leasing company just that CRE is not the one to collect it. So now the leasing company will go after the people for the money that is being paid back from CRE.

 

OK from a relative newby's perspective here (one year), if you must go for one of the shall we say 'mega haulers' (I define as such companies that all pay with a few cents of each other in the 90 cents range)--

• Find one that pays fuel surcharge both loaded and empty
• Choose dry freight as sometimes you will get a light load as opposed to reefer freight which is invariably heavy (and thus a drag on your profits)
• Or become a trainer with CRE
• Or hire only those $.12 cents per mile second seat teammates to maximize your profits.

Thank you for asking the question though, I appreciate everyone's insight and advice.

 

Hello
cr called me yesturday. they said they was hiring in my area it gets interesting!! so i acted like i was interested to see what was said. i asked about being a company driver so they told me i could make more money doing there lease program and there lease program is better than buying a truck for tax purposses. ok for tax purposses that may be true where you can write off the lease payment verse the depriciation of the truck as if you was buying it. ok so i ask if i can get out of a lease and buy the truck out right the guy says oh no you can't buy the truck before the lease is up ( not that id'e want to ) so he goes on saying you can buy it at the end of the lease or it goes back where it came from. things get more interesting now mean while i'm laughing of what an ahole this guy is and he sounded shady so just for the hell of it i asked if i could latch my truck on with them and run under there athourity he says oh no you can't do that everythings in house and up to cr englands standards. sounds shady to me. so i just said don't bother me any more i'm not getting screwed into leasing and don't call me anymore i see how you guys run your bussiness. so then it gets even better! he starts telling me he has team lease driver making 130 grand a year after expences i had to laugh in my mind at that one. so i also told him i don't and will never team drive i don't care even if it kills me and i could buy a truck in the same year range alot cheaper than leasing one!