More musings about EOBR's and regulations...

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Scooter Jones, Jul 4, 2013.

  1. Scooter Jones

    Scooter Jones Road Train Member

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    The discussions always take on an interesting dynamic on forums like these. It's like the advent of Talk Radio with caller participation back in the day, if the host needed to beef up his ratings and calls, he just started talking about abortion and gun rights. The lines would light up.

    17 pages later on this thread and, well, you know...

    The older so-called renegades and outlaws will be gone sooner or later. The nature of logistics is changing right before our eyes. The advent of technology and efficiency are being driven by a regulatory & corporate structure that will just not allow business to be done as usual anymore. So, either through attrition or acquiescence, compliance will be brought to bear upon this industry.

    That was my original point in writing this thread. The liability factors and stakes are just too high now...

    On a personal observational level, it always amuses me when I read or hear some of the old timers musing about the "good ole' days..." As though they were all earning loads of money way above the national income averages for decades and now that hours of service rules have come into play, things have gone to Hades in a hand basket.

    EOBRS's are the Apocalypse, you know? ;-)

    Carly Simon said it best, "These are the good ole' days..."

    I'll admit this much, with only a few years under my belt now driving professionally, I'm a Johnny come lately to this industry. Although I respect some and have come to know many veteran drivers, I don't respect the one's who opine for the days of popping cross tops to stay awake for 30 straight hours to make a delivery (and breaking almost every law on the books in the process) and then smoking refer and drinking heavily to come down for a day or so just so they could do it all over again. Yeah right, those were the good ole' days.

    I don't care for many of the rules and regulations as much as the next guy. However, openly advocating lawlessness on forums like this where thousands of potential drivers come to read and learn is bizarre and ridiculous. The mockery towards the new drivers as stupid and sheepish is equally as nauseating to me.

    Personally, I've come to really love this industry. I told someone the other day that I was born to be a truck driver, it just took me 51 years to figure it out.

    I came in right before CSA2010 was getting into full swing. I was on paper for the first year and then the company I was with came under DOT scrutiny and opted to put in EOBR's. Without beating a dead horse, I had no problem with it and kept working, driving mostly OTR, building my experience level knowing that the day would come when I would find something regional and better suited for me, which I've done.

    During that time my earnings were sufficient enough to stave off losing our beautiful home on 2 acres in Southern Oregon as well as gaining traction financially after taking a real hit as a contractor in the Fall of 2008.

    SLAVES DON'T LIVE IN 2,300 SQ FOOT HOMES OFF THE RIVER IN OREGON. I really tire of being categorized by some of the players here as a slave because of whatever. Slaves have (and had) a very hard and treacherous existence. I make a nice living, have great benefits and have the best boss I could of ever imagined. I'm extremely content with my lot in life, what more could a person ask for?
     
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  3. snowblind

    snowblind Heavy Load Member

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    your 4 years ....dont judge me or anyone else out here,oh never smoked pot or drank to come down,your talking out the side of your mouth.you were not there,do us a favor go back to what ever you were doing for 51 years.and let me truck
     
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  4. Scooter Jones

    Scooter Jones Road Train Member

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    I have personally talked to two veteran drivers in the past two weeks who have told me as much. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't sweat it driver.
     
  5. codyschmidt

    codyschmidt Light Load Member

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    The older so-called renegades and outlaws will be gone sooner or later.........WTF Plenty of drivers still run paper logs and that does not make them a renegade or an outlaw. I have been running paper logs for 30 years and I will always run on paper logs....Most of the drivers have to be on Elogs because they are too stupid to fill out a paper log and they just applied the vasoline and bent over and took the screwing.

    The government can invent all the technology they want to... both now and in the future , but in my truck it will never replace the ink to paperlog
     
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  6. Lone Ranger 13

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    Scooter, you shouldn't believe everything you hear. I have been trucking since 1992 and at no time have I seen evidence of drug or alcohol problems among truck drivers.
    Statistics show truck drivers have low positive drug test rates. Furthermore, almost all drug/alcohol related crashes involve non-truck drivers.
    Over the years I have met many decent old timers that were safe , hard working people.
    I would try to tell you how things used to be, but I think it would just be a waste of my time.
     
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  7. scottied67

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    Most drivers just back into a spot at the truck stop and close their curtains for the night so they don't see what really happens out back. I walk my dog all throughout the day and/or night, see lots of truckers drinking their cold beers behind their flatbed and throwing their bottles and cans on the ground for someone else to pick up.

    New drivers coming into the industry are not the reason for Elogs. The old culture of cheating is the cause and of course lawyers and ambulance chasers.
     
  8. snowblind

    snowblind Heavy Load Member

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    answer this,in 70 we had books and said run legal boys,no lose leaf then somewhere along the line they gave us lose leaf,made it easier to cheat,run legal boys,3 years you have no clue as what you are talking about,but then again you have plenty of company on here,
     
  9. RickG

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    33 years and you don't have a clue . E-logs were lobbied by ATA . Increased costs to push out smaller carriers . Money saving way to audit thousands of trucks and keep track of idling and fuel wasting speeds .
    Nothing to do with safety . It's all about carrier profit .
    If FMCSA wanted safety they would criminally prosecute carriers for log falsifications rather than fine a carrier with 10,000 trucks $10,000 .
    Small carrier owners have been prosecuted . Never a megacarrier .
     
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    Companies were threatened with losing operating authority and have been persuaded to use e-logs to avoid paralyzing scrutiny since the courts told the Feds they couldn't force e-logs on carriers, if what I have heard from drivers and others I deem reliable is all true. Werner was forced, if you believe the stories, and they have had recorders for as long as almost anyone, I'd call them a mega.

    I have seen other evidence of it, companies that used to run hard and fast suddenly having e-log stickers and running much slower than they used to. I won't name manes, but anyone that drives more than locally has seen it if they have kept their eyes open.

    The other thing driving it is insurance companies, again, I won't name names, but insurance is driving adopting E-logs and lowered speed settings.
     
  11. gokiddogo

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    I'm not sure I got the point you were trying to make with this post. Maybe it was simply that the E-log is such a great tool that it will tar and feather anyone that did their best but the parking spot they found it took them 11 hours and 1 minute to do it. I agree with you that we should not have drugged up drivers, or drivers on the road for 30 consecutive hours. That all (statistically) leads to bad things happening. I also agree that the E-log makes log auditing far more efficient for large carriers as well as knowing driver available hours and if dispatchers have a brain trip planning can be very efficient also. I must ask you though, since it is benefiting you or your company and you are becoming more efficient and compliant, then why would you want your competition to be as efficient and compliant as you are? Eventually you will come out on top, no?

    I own one truck and trailer and run my own authority. I realize if I am going to expand, it will most likely have to include EOBRs, for the very reasons stated above. Only a few years ago, I will admit I was the guy who would spend WAY more hours driving than I should have. I am lucky it never cost me more than some small tickets. I have smartened up. Now if I do that and am caught, I will be done. All the money I have put out to run this will be flushed right down the crapper. With that being said, making SMART decisions EVERY DAY about how much is an appropriate amount of driving to do for that day is much more to my liking. Knowing the delivery is set for a certain time BEFORE I EVEN PICK UP THE LOAD, if I can do it legit then I will haul it. If they ask for the impossible then I tell them to call a team. I should also note here, that I will on occasion make small adjustments to my log when situations BEYOND MY CONTROL arise. Say when I pick up a load and the next 3 truck stops all have no parking at 4 pm. I am of the mind that it is better to carry on to the next place and rest there, and make it all look fine and dandy on paper, rather than explain to a computer which may or may not ever be checked as to why I should not be written an expensive ticket for it. Of course, this brings up the parking issue, which is totally another topic, but let's not address the real problems in trucking. Let's just make it ever increasingly burdensome for the driver.

    So why should I, as a one truck operator, be forced to have this costly device? Sure, my authority is only 1 year old now and I am still a very young company, but my CSA scores reflect that I am a safe operator. I just really see no benefit for the extra cost in MY operation. Those that ARE running it and are finding greater efficiencies in their own operations, more power to them. The independents, LEAVE US ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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