Paccar defective engine lawsuit.

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  1. Guntoter

    Guntoter Road Train Member

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    Caterpillar saw this coming 5 years ago, they knew that they could not continue selling engines that failed, they knew that they could not lie to their customers about reliability. Paccar chose a different route and now they are facing the consequences of that decision. Volkswagen faced a similar situation a few years ago and made a poor decision, today they are facing the consequences of that decision. I for one am ecstatic, I hope this bankrupts them (after they pay to re-power my truck). I can't believe Im saying this, I also hope Peterbilt suffers a very painful rebuilding after this chapter in their history because they have cause immeasurable financial hardship to the people who made them the class of the industry. An owner operator who invests every penny he has in a single truck should not have had to endure this from a company like Peterbilt and I hope it hurts Peterbilt as bad as it has hurt the thousands of owner operators they lied to.
     
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    Guntoter Road Train Member

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    They absolutely did cite specific issues, on about page 19 they start getting into very specific problems with the ATS and even give truck numbers. The reason they don't point out "X harness or X module" is because nobody knows what the problem is. If Paccar or anyone else knew what was wrong, they could fix it and this lawsuit would be unnecessary. I understand most of you questioning this because most of us have always believed that we can always find a problem (broken part, loose wire,etc...) when a truck breaks down. This whole mess is because it is AN UNFIXABLE PROBLEM. The entire design of the components (engine, after treatment, ECM, CAN BUS) nothing works together. they are trying to mix water and oil, physics do not allow Paccar's combination to work together. If it were easy, Caterpillar would have stayed in the game.
     
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    Guntoter Road Train Member

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    Unfortunately you aren't far off. It is entirely the government that has done this and this lawsuit is the beginning of the end for the ridiculous idea that trucks will be ZERO emissions AND get 14 MPG by 2021.
     
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    [QUOTE="Guntoter, post: 4990341, I hope this bankrupts them (after they pay to re-power my truck). I can't believe Im saying this, I also hope Peterbilt suffers a very painful rebuilding after this chapter in their history because they have cause immeasurable financial hardship to the people who made them the class of the industry. An owner operator who invests every penny he has in a single truck should not have had to endure this from a company like Peterbilt and I hope it hurts Peterbilt as bad as it has hurt the thousands of owner operators they lied to.[/QUOTE]

    WOW, so you hope? I tell you what, why not just say lets hope they will bankrupt, period and the sooner the better even if they don't repower my truck, you are asking for evil only after evil takes care of your problem.
    and this is why we are going in the direction we are going in this country.
    Wouldn't be better to hope they find the problem and fix it? and fix or repower everyone's problem not just yours?
    so that we can keep the competition going so that we can have more choices with better product like we used to have before all the EPA crap.
    Think about it, Paccar goes out, then eventually Detroit so now the government start to panic and gives Cummins a break, and they are the only diesel engine builders for the entire industry.
    what do you think is going to happen to the little guy or the big trucking guy when there's a problem?

    Your way to see things. I don't like Fox News, lets boycott them so they can starve to death.

    why not change the channel?
     
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    The EPA was out of control before Obama ......

    I have an 08 cat......and I feel your pain.
     
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    Pacar isn't just Peterbilt...Pacar is also KW, why single out Pete?
     
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    one of many best thing that can happen to America is for Paccard to stop manufacturing engines and then, there's going to be so much demand for Cummins and Detroit that they are not even going to try to start their new engines, not that they don't have their own problems, but this will eventually happen, it's just that I want to see it sooner than later.

    why would the EPA have an $8 billion budget?
    why would a bunch of good for nothing communists parasites make all Americans life far more expensive and harder in order to satisfied their ego?

    plus a bonus to put America back to the level of other countries of lazy corrupted idiots that do embrace all the EPA crap because they don't have to comply, but our own democrap or republican corrupted politicians will lead us into that kind of life while their pockets are getting filled up by the well fair corporate maggots that have us working for then via our elected officials mandates.
    Sound to me like communists dictators at their finest.
     
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    CAT got out long before DEF/SCR ever became a potential solution, CAT left because they didn't want to produce an EGR based engine, and after they figured that their ACERT engines ECM's couldn't be programmed to meet the 2010 emmision reg's like they did to meet the '07 standards, they stopped producing engines.
     
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    You sound like you would vote for Trump.
     
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