Sleeping at the shipper and reciever

"§ 395.2: Definitions....

On-duty time means all time from the time a driver begins to work or is required to be in readiness to work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work. On-duty time shall include:

(1) All time at a plant, terminal, facility, or other property of a motor carrier or shipper, or on any public property, waiting to be dispatched, unless the driver has been relieved from duty by the motor carrier;

(2) All time inspecting, servicing, or conditioning any commercial motor vehicle at any time;

(3) All driving time as defined in the term driving time;

(4) All time in or on a commercial motor vehicle, other than:

(i) Time spent resting in or on a parked vehicle, except as otherwise provided in § 397.5 of this subchapter;

(ii) Time spent resting in a sleeper berth; or

(iii) Up to 2 hours riding in the passenger seat of a property-carrying vehicle moving on the highway immediately before or after a period of at least 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth;

(5) All time loading or unloading a commercial motor vehicle, supervising, or assisting in the loading or unloading, attending a commercial motor vehicle being loaded or unloaded, remaining in readiness to operate the commercial motor vehicle, or in giving or receiving receipts for shipments loaded or unloaded;

(6) All time repairing, obtaining assistance, or remaining in attendance upon a disabled commercial motor vehicle;

(7) All time spent providing a breath sample or urine specimen, including travel time to and from the collection site, to comply with the random, reasonable suspicion, post-crash, or follow-up testing required by part 382 of this subchapter when directed by a motor carrier;

(8) Performing any other work in the capacity, employ, or service of, a motor carrier; and

(9) Performing any compensated work for a person who is not a motor carrier."

Despite the subsections added to subclause (4), it is clear the DOT intends you to remain "on duty " when waiting while being loaded/unloaded. Unless formally relieved from the carrier, meaning you can drop off and leave the facilities, not having to attend the truck or remain in readiness to operate, the DOT considers you to be On Duty.

Even though that is not my point.

 

If I could sleep by the customer I would. Save my clock, and might get lucky and get unload early.

We have notes under each customer if they allow over night stay, but some will say yes but yet Google maps will show you how small their yard is.

If they allow overnight stay and it's inside a major city, I'm for sure staying at the customer. First come first serve? Do my best to get their first, if not then myclock doesn't start till I get a door.

As for bathroom? I'll take a walk to the nearest gas station or restaurant. 2 miles was the longest I walked to a restaurant.

 

Good Planning... lol

 

Thinking it's supposed to work just the same way the paper logs are supposed to work... LOL ... Same rules either way... Right???

 

Pulling into the truck stop today...

 

This is a very simple concept. Plan your trip by calling the shipper and ask if they allow overnight parking. If you can't reach them use Google maps sattelite to figure out if they have room.

Most otr companies will not mind you getting unloaded during your break when you're on elogs. You're technically not doing any work. Doing this will allow you to deadhead as long as you need to go to pu next load and you'll have the hours to pu tight scheduled loads.

Most drivers I know do not show they were unloaded/loaded when they do that but if they're planned and not in a rush they will log on duty remark ld/unld just to make it look pretty.

I feel for the guy that got a service failure for not overnight parking at the shipper because sometimes you want to be by facilities but trust me he DID NOT have a leg to stand on as far as an excuse because It would have been pretty much harmless to get unloaded during your break because dot leaves those "on duty" activities to the discretion of the carrier meaning the carrier has the right to say that I allow my drivers to go off duty during unld. What I do is take a quick shower make sure I use the bathroom and grab food and drink before I get to a shipper. I can do all of this in 30 mins or less. Problem solved for the night!

If you don't bend the rules sometimes I guarantee you won't be happy out here$$$$

 

Most of the guys that are full blown cheaters on their logs do make thousands more per year. Those guys would probably laugh at somebody saying they're scared to get unld while overnight parking off duty since that is only the tip of the iceberg as far as a competitive advantage.

 

the sleeper is my friend at shipping and receiving.

 

No they will not mind it in fact the encourage it. They will just make note of it as a safety violation and when it comes time to reduce the labor force during slow times they will use it against you when dismissing you for safety violations. I have seen exactly that several times.

Read post #81 again and again. You are not doing work just like the disputer, planner, or terminal manager is not doing work. Only, they, they get paid for 'not doing work.'

You mean line 5 when going to a load? Yes, the DOT see's it exactly that way.

That is convenient on the elog; the DOT offer can look up the time the load was planned to be loaded and compare it with how you logged it on the same computer. Pretty common ticket now days.

No you don't. You think he should have written a false log in order to keep office staff from doing more work.

You don't know that. There is nothing in the post that even remotely describes it would be of no concequence to the driver or his ability to obtain rest needed to travel safely. There is only so many hours in a day/week any one person can be alert, if they are wasted unloading the driver is going to be on the road putting others at risk.

No, you need to learn to read post "81. Little bad with instructions are you?

Your amazing. You know most truckers would not have thought of that.

You know if you compare the actual miles a driver does, the ones that "bend" the rules as you describe do not make much or anymore miles then the other drivers. The bottleneck in the mile/money making game is in the office not the truck. The quicker you learn that the easier you will find it to make more of both.

 

I didn't need any legs,?? I will not spend the night at a customer on a short load, unless it is near my home and gets me home, but Crete will not let me near home until it's time for me to go home.
You can crap in a bag, backlog your elogs all you want,
me, I'm a national OTR driver with very few bills, I don't want or need to run a lot of miles.