Hi guys, long time reader first time poster. By no means am i an expert, just trying to find a bit of helpful information thank you!
I'm looking to buy a truck in the near future, and a few people i have talked to about this seem to think I'm crazy to want 2.64 rears. from what i gather, just drop a gear or two to keep the RPMs up if you're going up a hill, right? My plan is to pull a cattle pot or fuel tanker, so i will be empty half of the time, i also am looking at glider kits only, so a 550cat or 12.7 detroit paired with a 13, or 18.
So my question is 1, will 2.64 rears just be to tall of gearing? and 2, i know both the trannys have the same gearing on the last 3, but what are the pros and cons of each in the real world?
gearing question
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We're doing you plan on running Your right at?
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Just think if you add tall 24" drives you may reach 130 mph. You can add me to your list of people that think your crazy. J/K
Here are a list of spec's for Eaton to give you an idea of the difference between the 13, and 18spd.(Scroll to pg. 13 for out put ratio's) http://www.eaton.com/ecm/groups/public/@pub/@eaton/@roadranger/documents/content/rr_rrsl-0001.pdf IMO 18 is only good for heavy haul, or for an uber low granny gear. In ordinary driving you'll skip right over them and shift it like you would any other tranny. Even using the 13spd, you'll find you normally only split the last 2 gears.
You notice, most all trannys above are O/D (over drive) meaning the top gear is less than 1:1.00 ratio. That combined with a 2.64 rear (actual output ratio =1.91), will have you down shifting and loosing speed on ordinary overpasses... thus making mountains out of mole hills.
Good luck with your projectTerry270 Thanks this. -
I second @TheDude1969
@Cowpie1 runs the 13 and 2.64 setup in a glider I think.
3.42/3.55/3.58/3.70 paired with 13 should be versatile enough, in my opinion.TheDude1969 Thanks this. -
Going down the highway you'll be fine, be sure to use a 13 or 18 spd tranny.
The main thing it effects is startability. The ability (or ease) to get the truck to launch on a hill. If your 80,000 or less and loading pretty much on pavement or concrete you'll be fine. If your 100,000 plus loading in the mud and climbing a hill, you'll torch the clutch.
http://www.overdriveonline.com/geared-to-go/TheDude1969 Thanks this. -
Well i'll be hauling north of 100,000 (legal here is 105.5) interesting overdrive write up, at 85 mph i'd be turning 1370 rpm. I have read alot of guys do not even use the last gear, interesting. thanks for the info!
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I believe most folks that run 2.64s spec so that they can run in direct, and many have a direct/top gear tranny. The idea being to reduce parasitic loss of power required with o/d trannys, and improve fuel mileage.
They wouldn't work well for hauling in excess of 80k, in the hills, or off road in my opinion .TheDude1969 Thanks this. -
My peterbilt dealer says the factory won't build an 18 double over with 2.64. They will only go to 3.08. Reason being is no need for a truck with that much speed, so he tells me. It's really a balance of which gears do you want to use? Start in granny all the time and mostly use up to 16? Start in 1 or 2 and use up to 18? How often are you going to get crazy and actually cruise in the big hole with that much available speed?
Also, users here will tell you the faster the rears the shorter their life expectancy. I don't know why ... but my 3.90 gears seem to be indestructible after about 1.4 million miles so farTheDude1969 Thanks this. -
The only thing you will lose is startability. Do you drive a truck now? Just use the ratio formula to figure out what gear would be the same in your current truck as the new truck would be for the low gear, and start using that gear for ALL your starts. That will answer all your questions.
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@gokiddogo , the reason for this is:
The faster gears sets have to have More teeth on the Pinion, which means that the teeth profile is narrower & deeper (or pointier for want of a better word) which makes them more prone to shearing off.
And the Crown wheel teeth are machined far deeper to match the profile of the Pinion gears which makes them more liable to break in between the teeth..
I hope I've explained Myself properly??
Pictures of 2 different gears sets would explain in a heart beat what I'm trying to explain..
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