My dad is a Teamster and has been for 30+ years, maybe 40 now. I like what the Teamsters do for drivers as far as their wages and benefits. However, I can't agree with a lot of the Teamster's opinions on politics and other subject matter not related to trucking. In fact I recently discussed this with my dad. I asked him how he dealt with the issue of the Teamsters doing those things that aren't in line with his personal beliefs or opinions. He just stated that he just let that stuff roll off his back. That's where my dad and I differ. I can't let it roll off my back. I stand strong on my morals and values and refuse to support (i.e. be a member of) any organization that doesn't go along with the majority of those morals and values. Hence the reason I don't feel the need to be a Teamster. Ironically in my current job I sometimes receive prevailing (aka Teamster) wages. Does that make me a prostitute? I'll take their money, but I won't give them mine.
While I sympathize with you and your mother, PapaBear, I can't help but feel that some responsibility does lie on both your mother and father, God rest his soul. Saying anything more than that borders on the disrespectful, and that is the least of my intentions. Simply put, the lesson here is to be sure to read every line of every document that you sign your name to. Especially a legal document.
My Dad (The GearJammer)
Discussion in 'Road Stories' started by PapaBear, Sep 4, 2008.
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Yes...i do agree. There are allways two sides to every story. Like i said in my post if you read it again...how my dad was so commited & devoted to the union. Does that not have a statement in it's self? If you take a moment to pause...to think where i'm going w/ this? If i had gone into detail of some of the good things that the teamsters have done, would your reaction still remain the same? When only being able to write about an experience that you have gone through in this short life that we live, & only being able to summerize it & put it in a short blog post. Witch was only to give a little rememberance & respect to a man that was such a devoted membor to a union that in the end, by an error made on a peice of paper was disrespected & dishonored, for his great devotion to allways take care of his wife, even through death. What if this happened to you or your family? What would your reaction be? What would you do? (This message is for Cybergal).
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Again, PapaBear, I meant no disrespect to you, your father (whom I'm sure was a magnificent man), or your mother. I made that statement just to make others aware, in case they weren't able to decipher it from your original post. It absolutely could happen to me or anyone else in my family very easily. It's truly sad that large organizations such as The International Brotherhood of Teamsters can be so greedy and thoughtless of those who dedicated their lives to them.
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That is horrible! That is as low as they come. There must be some type of legal service that would represent your mother in this case, wether she has money or not. I can't believe the union did not stand up for her, notorized or not. Didn't your parents get any type of paper work, stating that all benefits were exhausted, after they signed that so-called insurance form? Good luck and keep us posted what happens.
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Here is another reason why this bothers me so much...a few years before my dad passed, my wifes father had passed away. He was also a union member. Now my father-in-law, & mother-in-law were married for 15 yrs. However, at the time of his death, they were divorced, It had been several years since the divorce, & my mother-in-law was re-married to another man. And upon his death, she still received his pension, & is stll receiving it. Now,however that may be, my mom & dad were married 47 yrs....47 years...how can that be? How can they let someone else receive there husbands retirement, when she was divorced & remarried to another man, & then deny my mother, in whom my dad loved so dearly & faithfully for 47 years!? Yea...the union said because they signed off, & that paper was noterized, & that they knew. Well, wake up everyone! The day of the honest hard workin man that goes by a man's word & a firm handshake is gone, out the window...
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he only sense I can make of any of this is that your Father had signed the INH opt out - in exchange for a continuation of medical bennies.
This effected a lot of "non central states" teamsters prior to the contract before last.
There are some details missing here that do not allow me to make sense of this situation.
But the facts that have always been in place for CS temasters are as follows
1. I will recieve 100% of my pension until I die.
- at that point...
2. My wife is to recieve 50% of the amount normally recieved monthly until she dies.
For many divisions the spouse gets 0% after a member dies.
(otherwise our pension would go broke by paying all the 90 year old widows every month)
A lot of Union members (UAW mainly) who had the 50% spouse clause opted out of this 50% by signing paperwork back in the late 90's allowing them to keep medical bennies - but in trade eliminating ongoing payments for their spouse.
I wonder if your Dad may have signed off on this move?
A lot of people did without thinking it through all the way...
I would hope that your dad had participated in the Teamsters 401K - if so he would have had a small fortune built in it since its inception.
That combined with drawing your dads pension the last 7 years prior to his passing - and SS for them both should have left your mother well.
Life insurance? standard annuities?
all of these play into a solid financial plan that I would hope your Dad had set up.
I can gather more details if I knew more...
what division did your dad work in?
what companies?
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Here is some answers on some of the questions that you had, latanea...my mom read your post & sent me this reply today 9-11-2008. My mom has allways been a private person, & in her best wishes, to honor my mother, i have kept quiet about what had happened up until recently, when they denied her appeal. My heart was torn & i felt this uncontrollable urge deep within to tell this story. My mom reads all the letters, & blogs that i post, & it just brings tears to her eyes...she tells me she is glad that i am letting others know, & it brings her some comfort to read & stay in touch. So i hope this little bit of info might help make a little more sense of this situation... "I WAS READING ALLL THE QUESTIONS THE MAN WROTE AND I KNOW I'D ONLY HAVE RECEIVED 1/2 OF DAD'S PENSION. HE EVEN SAID WHEN WE LEFT THE UNION OFFICE ON THE DAY WE SIGNED THE PAPER: "YOU'LL BE GETTING 1/2 OF MY PENSION IF ANYTHING HAPPENS TO ME. IT WAS NOT EXPLAINED. WE NEVER HAD ANY MEDICAL EITHER WHEN THE PAPER WAS SIGNED, AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, WOULD NOT RECEIVE THIS EVEN. I DON'T REMEMBER DAD EVER MENTIONING ANYTHING ABOUT A 401K EITHER. EVERYTHING HE MADE IN WAGES WENT TO HELP OTHERS. WE HAD AN INSURANCE POLICY FOR BOTH OF US -- IN FACT FOR YOU & KARI WHEN YOU WERE AT HOME == $25,000 FOR HIM AND $10,000. FOR ME AND BOTH OF YOU UNTIL YOU GUYS LEFT HOME. WHEN DAD TURNED 65 THEY NOTIFIED US THAT THIS INSURANCE POLICY WAS CANCELLED OUT FOR BOTH OF US. TO GET A SIMILAR AMOUNT WOULD HAVE BEEN COSTLY -- I THINK OVER $300.00 A MONTH, WHERE WE'D BEEN PAYING $107.00 EVERY 3 MONTHS FOR YEARS -- SINCE HE WAS IN HIS EARLY 30'S. SO THIS WAS A BLOW, TOO, TO US. WE WENT LOOKING FOR INSURANCE ELSEWHERE AND CAME UP WITH GLOBE LIFE WHICH WAS ABOUT $140.00 FOR BOTH OF US EVERY 3 MONTHS FOR ONLY A $5,000. POLICY. I INCREASED IT ANOTHER $5,000. AT THE 1ST OF THE YEAR HE DIED, BUT THEY WOULDN'T ACCEPT IT. SO I ONLY GOT THE $5,000. AMOUNT AND HAD TO PAY THE REST UP FRONT. THE COST WAS WELL OVER
$10,000. EVERYTHING WAS A NIGHTMARE. I WAS JUST EXISTING AND I KNOW GOD TOOK ME THROUGH THE DAYS CAUSE PEOPLE WERE PRAYING FOR ME. IT'S REALLY HARD, YET. I HAVE NOT FULLY OVER ANY OF THIS -- IT HURTS SO MUCH -- I KNOW IT WAS THE WORK OF THE DEVIL -- BUT JESUS IS STILL VICTOR!!
LOVE YOU VERY MUCH.... AGAIN, THANK YOU! KEEP IT UP, KEVIN!"
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I stilled to know who your dad worked for - what division of the Teamsters and what dates...
For me to comment any further I also need to know if your Father opted out (many did) to gain medical.
If so - that is your answer. -
I am sorry for your loss and the pain you guys have been going through...
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