Logs and split 8 mistery - help

Yeah, you shouldn't get any hours back after 8hrs SB. 8 hrs SB will "pause" your 14 so you should have whatever hours you had left before you went SB. The hours won't come back untill the other 2hrs off duty is taken. You will get back hours minus the on duty time you used between the split. can do it as 8/2 or 2/8.

There is also a 9/1 split. I'm not sure if it works as a 1/9 split also. Did you have an hour ,or two, off duty before you arrived at the pickup? Maybe that's what happened.

It doesn't make sense to me either. Taking a 30 min rest break now isn't going to let you drive more than 8 hours anyway. Looks like a programing bug in the log software.

 

How did your log dept explain it to you?

 

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/HOS_Logbook_Examples_2015MAY_508.PDF

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Were you on duty the entire time you were being unloaded or were you off duty for some of it? If you had been off duty for at least 2 hours at the customer, then the 8 hr sleeper would have given you time back. Otherwise, as stated, it just pauses it.

I will try to explain how it works and not be confusing, though it is until you get used to going then. Basically you need a 10 hr break to get any hours back, anything less than 10 does not give anything back to you. They do allow you to break that 10 up into 2 periods, as long as one is at least 8 hours in the sleeper and the other is at least 2 hours in the sleeper or off duty. If you go into violation between those two breaks, it is NOT retroactive. You will still be in violation after the break. It does not matter which one you take first, but only the 8 hr sleeper will pause your 14.

Ok, so if you drove for, let's say 7 hours, to Winn-Dixie, you would have 4 hours left on your 11 and 7 hours on your 14 when you got there. You were there for 5 hours, so you would have 2 hours left on your 14 and still 4 on your 11 when you left. You drive for an hour and park to take your break you are now at 1 hr on your 14 and 3 hrs on your 11. If you were off duty the 5 hrs while at Winn Dixie, then an 8 hr sleeper would reset your 14 from the end of the 2 hr break. Giving you 13 on your 14 and 10 on your 11 because you drove an hour in between. If you were not off duty while at Winn Dixie, the 8 hr sleeper only pauses your clock, so you would still be at 1 hr on your 14 and 3 on your 11 until you take another 2 hr break.

The other option would be to have stayed at Winn Dixie for 3 more hours and log all of that in the sleeper, pausing your clock then, so you would have left with 4 on your 11 and 7 on your 14 still. You could drive a few hours, let's say 3, giving you 1 hr on your 11 and 4 on your 14. then stop and take a 2 hour nap somewhere, resetting your 14 from the end of the 8 hr sleeper. That now gives you 8 hrs on your 11 (you drove 3 already) and 9 hours on your 14 (the 2 hr break doesn't pause the clock).

I know it's still confusing, but it definitely comes in handy. It won't make much of a difference on a long run, but if you do a lot of multi stop loads or a lot of short haul, they can make a huge difference.

 

It sounds like your company may have set it up to deny using split break, in other words, the software will not recognize a rest break shorter than 10 hours even though the regs would allow split breaking.

The easy way to think of split breaking is we have a 14 hour clock and allowed 11 hours to drive within that time. the 2 hour break comes off the 14 as well as the pretrip and fuel time and any other breaks. If any of that time exceeds 3 hours it starts chipping away at the 11 availability.

So if the driver had 15 minute pretrip and 3 hour break, the drive time would be available, 10:45 see.

If the drive had 15 minute pretrip and 5 hour break the available drive time would be 9:45 see.

There is no option to split break 9/1 or 1/9 that I am aware of.

 

When a customer holds us up for like 5 hours burning our 14 then we have to leave the property and do a full 10, effectively the 10 hour break is now 15. This is why so many are against the ELD mandate. With paper logs, one would just make that 5 hour break look like 15 minutes and carry it over to their 10 hour break to increase efficiency.

 

As you learn the 8/2 split you'll find there are times it can get you out of a jam but there are other times it can't help you much. It NEVER gives you more drive time or less 10 hour break time.

For example: if you drive 10:45 inside of 12 hours then do an 8, you'll only be able to drive 0:15 which may not help you much except in unusual situations where you can only park a few miles away from the shipper or receiver AND you'll be able to immediately do a 2.

 

Yesterday I did an 8 sleeper and started driving around midnite. About 3 hours later really started fading out and did the 2 hour portion. Got up and drove another hour and a half and had to stop again and just lie down a minute. 1:45 later is what the qualcomm said I was stopped for. That butchered up my time pretty bad. Basically you could say I took a 11:45 hour 10 hour break doing it that way. Quite inefficient. Doing an 8 sleeper again now and it should be cleaned up once I start driving again especially after I take that 2 hour break everything will be reset to the proper times.