Newb learns from Accident during skidpad training...

Discussion in 'Road Stories' started by heysteveh, Jan 10, 2009.

  1. heysteveh

    heysteveh Light Load Member

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    So here I am, a super green newb fresh out of truck driving school, with a couple of weeks to kill before my orientation starts at KLLM. I decide to be proactive and gain some experience so I sign up for the "Michigan Center for Decision Driving" one-day skidpad course.
    (See Video: http://www.truckingsafety.org/courses/skidpads.htm)

    The day I'm there it's snowing and they are having everyone drive a few mph slower then usual. After taking my turn in a bobtail, going through a orange cone slalom course that teaches you to "Shuffle" or "chop" steer through to keep from spinning out, I am now a passenger while the other driver (about 7 years experience) takes his turn. He makes it through the slalom cones great but then comes the actual corner at the end of the skid pad. As he negotiates the turn (probably going less then 15mph at this point) he doesn't do it quite right and we go sliding off the corner of the skidpad SIDEWAYS. No big deal, right? Wrong, 'cause at this particular point there is a STEEP SLOPE off the skidpad. So we are sliding sideways, driver side first, down the slope which had about 3-4" of snow on it. We're getting rocked around in the cab a little when all of a sudden, the driver's side wheels caught and the passenger's side wheels lifted slowly up, up, up, up :biggrin_2551:off the ground. I thought we were going to roll the truck for sure because of the slope, but the passenger side came back down with a nice soft "thunk" in the snow. "Whew"! :biggrin_25512:

    After they tow the Bobtail out with a tractor, the instructor says "this doesn't happen to often" and then proceeds to tell us all the crazy stories of what guys HAVE done before. Well, it's a story I'll always remember but, more importantly, here's what I learned (even though I wasn't driving, I was mentally driving as he made each "move"):

    1. I'm glad I came to this course and experienced an "accident" here instead of out on the road
    2. It can happen to anybody
    3. If you don't feel comfortable, slow down
    4. I think I will always be learning no matter how many years of experience I gain driving a truck
    5. Don't panic, try to apply your driving skills in whatever you face
    6. I would recommend a skidpad course to EVERYONE!!
    7. From now on, every time I drive through a slick corner, I will hear the instructor's voice, "chop, chop, chop that wheel"!!

    Any Comments...?!
     
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  3. pcfreak

    pcfreak Heavy Load Member

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    What does it mean to "chop the wheel"? Never heard that term before.
     
  4. heysteveh

    heysteveh Light Load Member

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    When you go through the slalom on the skid pad, "chopping" refers to moving the wheel back and forth rapidly a short distance. Kind of like when a little kid sits in a parked car, grabs the wheel and pretends to drive. This is a technique they teach that keeps the front wheels turning as you go through the turns. NASCAR drivers even do this when they drive through high speed turns.

    I had not heard of this either, and I know it sounds crazy but it WORKS like a charm and is very easy to do. Anyone else out there been on a skid pad that was taught this??
     
  5. Elvenhome21

    Elvenhome21 Heavy Load Member

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    Nascar refers it as "sawing on the wheel". Normally you only saw on the wheel to find and maintain the very edge of traction. I cant see how it would help you if you do it during a turn that you have traction then suddenly lose traction, such as ice or slush. The only thing I can see helping is just lessening the steering input (straightening the wheels) and letting off the brakes.
     
  6. Wiseguywireless

    Wiseguywireless Road Train Member

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    I pinched my Trailer this last winter when a Schnider driver pulled out in front of me while I was turning in a yard in just 2nd gear. ALL ICE. I was fine while I had drive to the drives, then when I let off the fuel to keep from hitting the other truck, All went wrong. the Drives just slid out from under me and in less than a second I crinkled my side fairing! I am still upset at that. Did they cover anything like this in that class?
     
  7. heysteveh

    heysteveh Light Load Member

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    Hey wiseguy if you had an experience like that already you would probably enjoy the class. One of the guys in my class had been a trucker for over 25 years and he couldn't stop singing their praises afterwards. Since it is only a one day class, you do cover a lot in a short time, but it is very much "hands on" and it is taught by a former long time trucker who is very knowledgeable.
     
  8. lilillill

    lilillill Sarcasm... it's not just for breakfast

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    Watch a sprint car driver running on dirt... now THAT'S chopping the wheel.:biggrin_25525:
     
  9. johnn5272000

    johnn5272000 Light Load Member

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    Clutch and trailer brake (sliding wheels want to lead) would have pulled tractor back. Gotta be quick thats why practice on a skid pad is good
     
  10. TruckerLlew

    TruckerLlew Medium Load Member

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    Why on earth would a Skid Pad have a downhill slope anywhere near it's perimeter? Think someone in the planning department wasn't thinking very well during the planning stage...lol
     
  11. lostNfound

    lostNfound Road Train Member

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    I did some skid-pad training with Schlumberger at their Kellyville, OK driver-training centre many years ago. It was an invaluable experience ... it was also great entertainment watching the guys from Bakersfield. :biggrin_2559:
     
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