11 Michigan men charged in major U.S. diesel engine tampering case

“Prosecutors say that between 2012 and 2018, the men were involved at various levels in a scheme to “delete” emissions controls from heavy-duty diesel engines to improve vehicle performance, fuel economy and save on maintenance.”

Because improving performance, increasing fuel economy and saving on maintenance is contrary to what the govt imposed regulations resulted in.

Yet even in the face of the govt’s failure through regulations which resulted in trucks getting poor fuel economy (more pollution) increased maintenance (more pollution) and breakdowns (more pollution); the pencil pushers know more than those in the industry and you must comply else face fines, imprisonment and violence if necessary.

 

Ooooo weeeeeee! That's a big no-no right there. I can't understand why folks try to bypass the system as opposed to just learning how those trucks work. If it ever broke down and got a point to where the dealer had to look at it, there are some dealers that will turn it away. They aren't fooling with it.

 

Literally thousands of bankrupt drivers and companys. Known unreliability issues, supply shortages, upto 12 week waits or more on various parts, poor economy, engine issues, cost to maintain, more and more studys starting to show concerning data about how toxic def actully is, the grey plumes of death, down time, and a few hundred other issues that have been covered to death and back.

People who try to play the "adurrr u r stoopid just lurn how 2 twuck better" card disgust me. You view every issue as black and white and your saying to "just learn how the truck works" is literally as stupid as someone telling a guy who got mugged then shot that he shouldnt have been there without context of WHY he was there.

Many who delete these trucks dont do so because we hate them or the government or anything else. We do it because we have a choice. Do we delete the rig or do we go bankrupt? Examples include because the truck with 50,000 miles on it is in the dealer for its 7th round of "find the issue" and has been down 12 weeks already. Or someone buys a 500k rig pours money into the system to try and bulletproof it and it fails over and over and over and over again anyway until they get to a point where even if they are doing all the work themselves they gotta pick a delete or bankruptcy.

Yes its against the law and they got caught breaking it no one with sense will argue they did so amd got punished. That doesnt mean there is not a reason WHY its needed to the point people are WILLING to do so or prevent me and many many many others from thinking the law is idiotic due to how hamfisted and unreliable def systems are.

Hell by preventing deletes you know what people are doing? They are trashing these new "efficent" engines and all the good things on them for older coal burners because the old coalers actully WORK.

 

Bro.......lol? You could have asked me to clarify what I mean when I said, "learn how the truck works." They call that a conversation.

 

"Prosecutors say that between 2012 and 2018, the men were involved at various levels in a scheme to “delete” emissions controls from heavy-duty diesel engines to improve vehicle performance, fuel economy and save on maintenance"

Gee, hrmmm, dunno why anyone would be interested in any of that?

 

The problem is most trucks are spec'd wrong and caused because the dealer ordered them that way. I think a lot of dealers know this and do it on purpose for repeat business. Now the word is out on how to spec them and just in time for the new emissions to change. So might start it all over again. I have a feeling that all of them have known this for awhile.

 

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I sure agree with you on many of these points and completely understand the reasoning as well. I also hate that I am one of those guys that will do it right until the end and I hate short cut cheaters as well. Now I won't be judgmental at anyone personally since a person has to do what they can to feed themselves and family.

But it has been proven the right spec's solve the issues on DEF issues in trucks now. Now it is to expensive to fix the truck the right way in most cases since they are already spec'd wrong. But if they go buy a truck now without educating themselves and then delete it I have a problem with that. The information is easy to find if one is able to look on the internet with a little understanding.

 

I believe that I read recently that congress over-rode Biden's proposed emissions standards.

One should spec a truck for the work it will be doing, not just to make all the emissions BS function with less problems.