30-minute dot break

On paper - if it takes less than 15 min you can flag it - see post 36., if longer than 15 min you log it. Since the Post more an in depth inspection it normally will take 15 min or more. A Pre is usually a walk around inspection.

On ELD - it will record exact minutes once on line 4


FMCSA Rescinds “No Defect” DVIR Rule For Motor Carriers of Property - Cold Connection

Drivers will still be required to perform pre-trip evaluations of equipment condition,

 

As others have said: yes.

Once you start or re-start the 8-hour clock, nothing stops it. Not even going off-duty (unless you stay off-duty for 30 consecutive minutes, which resets it.)

 

That's why I said the chances are rare.

 

happens more than you think...

I was at the TA North of Dallas in broad daylight and I was parked in the row facing the fuel island.. went inside and 15 min later came out... my fuel cap was off.. they got about 40 gallons... so yes it happens more than one would think

 

Hasn't happened to me so I stand by my original statement.

 

Don't quite understand the purpose of this post, since it basically states the exact same thing I had said...unless you didn't understand what I had said. Flagging the pre and logging the post starts my 14 hr clock when I start driving, and staying on line 4 past the 14th hr is perfectly legal and not a violation. By logging the pre and flagging the post, that starts the 14 hr clock that much sooner, so on a day when you would've arrived home AT the 14th hour IF you had flagged your pre and logged your post would now place you in violation (because you run out of hours on your 14 about as far from home as your pretrip inspection took to complete) if you had logged it the other way with time spent on line 4 before rolling out.

There is NOTHING in the regulations specifying when or how much time needs to be shown for those inspections, other than that they must be done and you must log it as you do it. Then you get into the whole +/- 7.5 minutes and whether you round up to 15 minutes or down to simply flagging that it was done. Technically, when you simply flag it, you're also supposed to write the time it actually took, however I've never been questioned on it. Basically, I look at it the same way as the guidance suggests for "multiple stops within the same town" in that you block all of the line 3 time together and all of the line 4 time together instead of changing from line 3 to line 4 and back a dozen times in a short time frame. The time it took for both inspections is shown for my post trip, since my pretrip didn't take long at all to complete...walk around the truck checking lights & thumping tires while listening for leaks. Post trip is more thorough, as that is when I'd prefer to catch major issues that might delay my departure...when dispatch has 10+ hours to figure out if we'll need to repower or simply reschedule the load. Wait until the pretrip to find something big that requires immediate attention and now everybody is in panic mode because options are limited when you are 2.5 hours away from an appointment in 3 hours.

 

Neither one of those states a regulation for pre or even post trip inspections. That being the case that are no regulations for logging either one. There are requirements to make sure all those items are working correctly, yes. No requirement for the driver to check it though. A driver could trust his co-driver, trust the shop, or even pay someone to check all those items and never have to flag or log a pre or post trip.

That being said, yes that would be silly, and I never would trust someone else.
As to the flag a pre, log a post, that's just good advice. Lets the work be done when the driver is relaxing.
And just so you know, my objection is you saying one "must" ### a pre, and log a post. Again, no regulation to say it has to be done, just that the required items have to be checked. Not even a requirement the required items have to be checked by the driver.

 

You're gonna be there awhile... we'll send supplies.

 

"Flagging" is still on duty, but since it doesn't 'fit' the 15 hash marks you're supposed to annotate the amount of time you spent, i.e. 5 minutes Post/Pre inspection.