Company Recruiting BS Promises of 60K annually for Drivers.

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  1. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    It took me a little time but there was a related thread

    Driver vs Prime

    Drivers vs Prime inc

    Supreme Court Case Brief
    Oliveira v. New Prime, Inc. - Public Justice

    Followed by one of the very best articles in trucking recruitment and leasing and Owner Operator Issues. Within this article was the magic word "Minimum wage" I worked on that this afternoon in my mind and I decided to take two drivers, myself and my wife who were complete and full Team Reefer drivers in 2001 with FFE and one other company for a total of 306 days away from home supported by logbook (DOT Regs say service day in perdiem = being in a logged day with a big truck more than 125 miles away from home)

    I made a connection because Trucking IS 24/7 it affects everything all Americans do, specially at the store buying stuff we haul in among other things. The Oversize transformer made in Korea then shipped to the east coast and oversized trucking overland to be installed at Peach Bottom Nuclear Power in PA a few years ago affects your very ability to do anything at home that needs electric power.

    Trucking is 24/7 you are never really off duty. Therefore I advocate a minimum wage at 8.25 (Soon to be 11.00 in Arkansas... I'll get back to that shortly) for 24/7.

    Out of a year, a whole year of trucking, day and night. Never being closer than 125 miles to your house a solid year of minimum wage 365 days comes to; 8760 hours. (Consider that our Freightliner Detriot accumulated almost 7500 hours on and running from it's brand new issue to us at 16 miles to 210000 miles in 9 months flat. This is essentially 24/7 If that thing aint running, we aint working. We never shut it off)

    8760 hours in a full year comes to $72270.oo Gross.

    THAT is for ONE PERSON, ONE DRIVER. You can eat your precious recruitment ad at 60K gross. NO one will knowingly hire on for less than minimum wage at a gas station or a 7-11 rob me store etc. Why should YOU the Professional who has had to pass pretty intensely detailed invasion of background checks to get Hazmat, Get to Canada, Get to Military Bases, to Seaports and designated TWIC areas etc. MOST of the American Population cannot qualifiy for many reasons to get the things YOU have on your CDL. THEY, that work in the 7-11 rob me shoot me store for peanuts that does NOT meet Society's current billing (Rent $1000.oo etc let's not even talk about Federal Poverty Guidlines for 1 Person which I think stands at 18700)

    Now. When TWO of us (Happens to be a Husband and Wife. It could EASILY be just two random drivers assigned to team in the same truck) earn the SAME MONEY SPLIT TO A TEAM....

    THE MINIMUM GROSS SHOULD BE (THIS is for TWO drivers, ESPECIALLY when we two are filing jointly on the same #### federal and state tax return)

    $144540 exactly. No cents.

    Our Gross pay for 2001? As filed on 306 service days (Being in a big truck on logbooks the two of us more than 125 miles away from home)

    $67400 Or... $33700 each. To me, to spouse.

    We could get a state job working sweeping up a college campus in several spots around our County for less trouble at almost twice that income with benefits. No need to be so far away from home all those working days. What a waste.

    Now. There is no point in trying to collect on the 144540 owed to the two of us because the Court has not ruled on Minimum wage vs Trucking.

    Keep in mind the Trucking Industry is EXEMPT from OVERTIME. So....

    If I want to claim time and half for overtime each week working 70 hours a week, total of 30 hours time and half.... THAT will require the entire Industry to be removed from the Exempt status. We are dealing with myself and the spouse about 60 blessed hours each week of our labor, time and actual LIFE in pushing a 18 wheeler down the blessed highway because someone in FFE told us to be somewhere at a appointment date and time across the USA or we wont have a job or get paid. Last I checked it's a Job. That pays taxable wages. Therefore it should not be Exempt.

    That's all I have for here. Im looking to see if there are some heavyweights who truly master this problem in the light of the Challenge against Prime at the Supreme Court vs the Entire Industry we might as well toss in a actual by goodness minimum wage and overtime.

    Our truckers are not paid anywhere near what they should be paid.

    NO wonder we don't have truckers. We need about what? 45000 this year? 860000 in 10 years?

    Might as well convert the nation to all robot trucks. No drivers, no problem, complaints, expense etc. When Arkansas Ballot for 11.00 minimum wage increase passes (Don't think it wont...) from 8.25 in Novemeber then the 8760 Hours minimum for a year = $96360.oo Some of you in 15.oo States are more than that. Much more.

    You can make a good living on that, even with 8000 to 10,000 dollars in truckstop food, showers, clothing which wear faster than non trucking etc..... expenses over and beyond a normal McDees fast food or 7-11 stab me store job.
     
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  3. Milr72

    Milr72 Medium Load Member

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    2001? Blah, Blah, Blah!
     
  4. MysticHZ

    MysticHZ Road Train Member

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    So someone should be paid minimum wage 24 hours a day, 7days a week, even when they are providing no value ... Communist.
     
  5. 8thnote

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    Minimum wage should be abolished. The State has no right to tell a private sector employer what they MUST pay an individual for their labor. If the individual in question's labor produces a enough value to warrant $15 per hour, so be it. If that individual's hour of labor does not produce $15+ value in an hour's time (like a fast food worker or gas station cashier), why should they be paid $15? or $11? Or $7.75?

    A job is a contract in which an employer leases an individuals labor at a pre-agreed upon rate. If I have experience and skills that make my labor (be it mental or physical) worth $15 per hour, why would I settle for a job that pays $11? If I have no marketable skills and no education, what makes me think I deserve $15 instead of $11? The market determines the value of labor at every skill level from entry-level positions all the way up to CEO type executive positions.

    If a person wants to make more money, it is on them to acquire the knowledge, skills, and experience that are required for higher paying jobs. If The State comes in a artificially raised wages based on nothing more than some vague and nebulous concept of "fairness", it is going to cause inflation to skyrocket and cause employers to hire less workers or shut down their business all together. Socialism didn't work 100 years ago in the Soviet Union and it doesn't work today. One needs look no further than Venuzuela for an example of a modern day failed socialist State.

    Here is an article from yesterday describing just how much minimum wage laws are "helping" employers and laborers alike in Venezuela now 40% Of Venezuela Stores Go Bust After 3,000% Minimum Wage Hike
     
  6. Jazz1

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    A stoned monkey could drive a truck. Without labour laws truck drivers would earn less than $8 per hour since there is an endless supply of volunteers
    Does anyone really believe assembly line worker at Toyota is worth $35 hour?:D
     
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  7. 8thnote

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    If this were true, then why do most trucking jobs pay significantly more than the currently mandated minimum wage now?

    Also, not all auto assembly workers make $35 per hour, not even close. The ones that do likely have specialized experience and skills that make their labor worth more than their peers.
     
  8. MysticHZ

    MysticHZ Road Train Member

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    Depends on how you measure minimum wage. The OP believes you should be paid for every hour you leave the house, 7 days a week, 24 hours a day, until you return, regardless of duty status.
     
  9. 8thnote

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    That's fine if an employer elects to pay their drivers that way. My argument is that its unconstitutional for The State to force an employer to pay any amount. Every driver that now works for mileage pay chose, of their own free will, to accept those payment terms.

    If a truck driver feels that their pay is not adequate, it is the individuals responsibility to either acquire specialized skills in trucking or move to another profession. It is a absurd that The State can force anyone engaged in a private non-binding business transaction (employer-employee relationship) to pay a required minimum.
     
  10. scottied67

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    Sure, let's go back to the way it was in the 1890's when the MAN paid the worker $1 dollar a day, the 'day' being whatever the MAN said the day was, but was typically sun-up to sun-down and 7 days a week.

    It was union organizing and union muscle that brought the modern U.S. worker the 40 hour workweek and the weekend along with a thriving middle class and the #1 best economy in the world.
     
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    My company I am working for now hauling milk you could easily gross 60 a year working 6 days a week with all the extras added on.

    And that is at a base of .38cpm

    I am just too selfish with my personal time and am here just here doing my time getting some experience to work that hard to make the 60.

    I'll get operating like I am Hungry when I am working with my own truck
     
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