Dealing with Dispatch (for newbies)

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by KM4FAE, Feb 14, 2015.

  1. Judge

    Judge Road Train Member

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    Even if you don't accept the load from dispatch, you can still be in trouble, got into this a few years back when I was pulling flatbed, I was already loaded going from Little Rock, AR to Maysville, Ky load of steel going to the power plant they were expanding, dispatch messaged me, I didn't answer figuring another fleet message, and I was on my way to the yard being Friday, and I was going to leave out Sunday to make the 11 hour drive to Maysville, then the dispatcher called me, and said, "When you get to the terminal, drop that trailer and head down to Hope, Ar and grab an oversize load and take it to Kansas City, KS. and it has to be there in the morning." I told him, "No, I'll keep what I have, I'd already unloaded in Dallas, reloaded to Little Rock did a trailer drop, and ran across town to get this load of steel and besides, time I get to the yard, get more straps/chains/edge protectors from shop, and make it to Hope, It'll be dark, and I cannot move an oversize after dark." Dispatch said, "You don't have a choice." I said, "I'm already dispatched and under load, I have a choice."
    They gave the load from Hope to another drive I've known for several years, he loaded it and went to bed there at the place, and brought it to the yard and left out Sunday heading for KC, KS. It seemed all over, they got what they wanted, Everyone happy, Right? Wrong. The following week came and I made it in early Friday to get my check, and they had a 'hold' on it to talk to dispatch/boss. So I threw a fit and talked to the same dispatcher, D.W., and he told me about what I done last week and how, "I hadn't been there long enough to turn down a load." I Explained in the room full of dispatch what went down, got mad, grabbed my check, with a few words of how it was illegal to hold a check on a person who had done nothing wrong, and cleaned out my truck and found a new company.
     
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  3. KM4FAE

    KM4FAE Bobtail Member

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    This is exactly the kind of stuff I'm getting at! Companies try to convince us this stuff is a rarity in trucking but it happens a lot more often than the industry is willing to admit. And in your case its pretty clear that the dispatcher not only had the company's blessing to treat you this way (as evidenced by them holding your paycheck) but was most likely trained by the company to do what they did. I don't pin everything on dispatch because more often than not they are just a go between. But they are the only ones we see and deal with.
     
  4. KM4FAE

    KM4FAE Bobtail Member

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    The point I'm trying to make, the whole basis for my original post, is to convey the message to new drivers that they WILL be taken advantage of by trucking companies. And sometimes it will result in a situation where one incident of being taken advantage of can result in something that will follow you for the rest of your career! And companies simply don't care, from the top down, they will eagerly throw you under the bus in order to save face with a customer or save a dollar, and not lose a wink of sleep over it. You can't trust ANYONE at ANY company to have your best interest at heart. I'll give you another example; Walbert Trucking, actually a pretty good company to work for as far as miles and pay are concerned. But one day I get stopped at a weigh station in Texas. The DOT placed me out of service because the tractor had 3 defective slack adjusters. So I called the shop to get the truck fixed and the guy in charge of maintenance started screaming at me over the phone for not having the brakes adjusted properly. He didn't want to hear that the truck had just had a PM done 8 days prior, or that the slack adjusters were defective, no. He kept trying to twist things around and make it my fault by saying the brakes were not adjusted. And he didn't want to pay an outside shop to replace the slack adjusters. What he wanted me to do was readjust the brakes and go right back through the same weigh station that had just put me out of service in the first place.

    I stood my ground on this one. I reminded him that the citations were not for the brakes being out of adjustment, they were for having "defective" slack adjusters on the truck. I further reminded him that the truck was placed out of service by the DOT. Now, I'm not a mechanic, but if a DOT officer tells me that a part is defective then I take that to mean it needs to be replaced, not simply adjusted. If I had done what the shop manager wanted me to do, and got inspected again at that same weigh station that put me out of service, I'm sure they would have had a field day with me. And the shop manager would have denied everything he said to me on the phone.

    I ended up with 27 CSA points, times 3 the first year (81 points). But it could have been a lot worse if I had done what the shop manager wanted me to do. If I understand the laws correctly, I probably could have been cited for driving an "out-of-service" vehicle, which carries a stiff fine of $2,500 or more. Not to mention many more points on my CSA score. So I stood my ground, refused to drive another mile until the truck was fixed. But if I had been a brand new driver I would have, I have no doubt, done whatever the shop manager told me to do. And it could have gotten me fired by my own company, possibly made me unemployable for at least a year or two, etc. Fortunately I was experienced enough not to allow that to happen. But you take a new driver, fresh out of his/her trainers truck, that person has just spent 6-8 weeks doing everything the company has told them to do, put them in my situation and they would have followed the shop manager's instructions and saw their career ended before it really began.

    This thread is not about attacking dispatchers, its not about attacking any individual company, I'm just trying to expose what all companies do, or attempt to do, to all drivers. And especially to new drivers.
     
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  5. Vilhiem

    Vilhiem Road Train Member

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    Unfortunately, the practice of dumping on the newbies or, "lower employees" is pretty common.

    http://imgur.com/7t2ucH9

    Figuring how to fight it and still have a job is a ##### and a truly useful and unique skill...
     
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  6. gnewb12

    gnewb12 Bobtail Member

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    Awesome advice and would be so much easier on everyone if ppl used that system more. Looking at other instances where dispatchers take hours to get back in contact with you in emergencies or situational moments I really see no problems with taking 15 mins to cover yourself... Especially with time restraints and low hours as known issues prior to even accepting it. Its just like with police officers patrolling... Tons of calls go out... Rookies usually answer most of the unwanted calls and just ignoring is never professional. Just avoid their YES catch phrases and decline if you can't do it.
     
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    gnewb12 Bobtail Member

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    Thanks again... Yea the CYA policy works best in this environment. Like you said doing what others tell you jeopardizes YOUR safety, career, and life and the people telling you the wrong things take advantage of the fact that you determine the outcome. Sadly the following orders part is another reason they love hiring vets and ret military... Alot of times we have get the job done mindsets... But I've always been taught as well... Laws, SOPs, and safety come first.
     
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  8. Digi-Trucker

    Digi-Trucker Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for sharing those points. Every company has different "qualities" in their dispatchers and how to deal with them. They are just people too.. so I am told :)
    But definitely bringing some donuts into the office once in a while doesn't hurt to keep in their good books. :)
     
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  9. Vilhiem

    Vilhiem Road Train Member

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    Oh I know the feeling... Next little while I'll be bringing in some old fashioned authentic jambalaya. You've never had real jambalaya until you watch how it's made. The simple version, "all this stuff is gonna go bad soon! Best toss some rice, shrimp, sausage, and chicken in a pot and cook the hell out of it."

    Learned it from an old Louisianan after I and a bunch of freinds went to clean up 'nawlens after Katrina came through. Mmm...talk about good.

    I took a load I pernaps shouldn't have, no biggie but I missed nearly a full day of home-time, a birthday party, my truck's PM... All because I got dispatched to a backhaul that took 10 hours to load.
     
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