Docking during 10 hour

We can also add to this drivers that make an(redacted) out of themselves with traffic clerks about their clocks. By this comment as I am NOT trying to imply its right to detain drivers like this. This is why I used that finger thing as an example. Lighten up and relax. If you can't legally leave because of a clock expiring just go on ahead and deal with it. Then notify your carrier about the issue. This is going to be a problem as long as the DOT/FMCSA keeps sugarcoating these shippers/receivers on how they detain drivers. This (redacted) is on the FMCSA!

 

I just log out of my ELD then sign back in later. and not claim unassigned drive time.

 

I allowed myself to get a bit angry with this! Now that I have cooled off a bit I will try to untangle this some. For the purposes of this discussion let's ONLY speak about on-duty NOT driving and on-duty driving. To say the FMCSA does NOT regulate on-duty NOT driving OFF the highway is NOT CORRECT! The FMCSA MOST CERTAINLY DOES! This is clearly stated in 395. You are on-duty during almost all of the loading/unloading process UNLESS you have been released to go off duty! Moving a truck is also on-duty as well. The problem with this is where the heart of all the confusion is. When you are moving a truck on private property like a terminal or a dock it is on-duty NOT driving! You are still on duty! Let's make sure this is clear! Part 390 tells us exactly what a CMV is in regard to part 395. Once you place that vehicle on the road YOU MUST be on-duty driving! To this end, you also MUST have some clock left to legally leave that property. IF you do not, then I highly suggest you follow your carrier's policies in regard to PC.

If you are a mechanic working for XYZ transit and don't hold a CDL how in the heck do you move a tractor from parking to get it into a shop? According to someone's definition of driving time as operating a CMV EVEN off the road that mechanic can't legally drive that tractor EVEN in the terminal. THIS is one of the primary reasons a CMV is defined the way it is as part of part 390! To make it any other way is to make what almost all diesel mechanics do illegal! This makes absolutely no sense!

 

I really don't understand why people make it so complicated an issue. Whether you use on duty yard move or the drive line. The result will be the same. You just need to use the split birth. 7734 I always use will pair at any customer. To me it's common sense.

 

I can't argue with you on the SB. I will just point out what I said in post #24. " I will admit that with today's ELDs and the crazy way the FMCSA can be with HOS the best recommendation is to STAY PUT! The problem with this advice is sometimes circumstances dictate you MUST move! "

It is one of the easiest and most uncomplicated things about this job. DO WHAT you MUST do to stay legal ONCE you are back on the road.

 

If you have plenty of driving time left, absolutely, either works fine. But if you’re either out of drive time or trying to conserve it for any reason, yard move takes care of that.

 

If you're that terrible at clock mgmt. That 10-15 minutes of drive time will put you in violation. You need a different carrier.

When I say "you're" I don't mean you personally. I mean the in general "you're."

 

I cannot stand the ELOG crawlers around distribution centers trying to save 30 seconds of drive time. Get the hell out of the way some of us got real work to do.

 

Let us remember that when a driver is moving a truck off-road it is still on duty. This is why it is important to remember the difference between on-duty not driving and on-duty driving. For the most part, drivers parked at a terminal have been released from duty and can go to either off duty or sleeper berth. The issues go to docks and the yards around them. I'm not going to post how the FMCSA defines on-duty. My point is when you move that truck you are ON DUTY! You can move that truck for as long as you desire as long as you remember to stay on duty! Pre-trip and post-trip inspections are on duty. So is getting fuel. Going to get a drug test done is also technically on duty. The main thing to remember is you can NOT drive on a public roadway with any of your clocks expired. Please let's keep this simple!

 

And those people that do ELOG crawl to stay off duty, when they hit something or break something, or get injured, they're personally liable. They weren't on duty for the company. They aren't getting workers comp. They're on their own for all damages and injuries. All to save a few minutes to get an extra 20 miles at the end of the week on their paycheck.