Door lettering

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by TruckerPete1990, Jan 29, 2020.

  1. PE_T

    PE_T Road Train Member

    I mentioned commercial rental trucks only as a common example of multiple motor carriers using the same truck. The guidance question is about multiple motor carriers. A contractor is not a motor carrier.
     
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  3. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Many O/Os leased to a carrier also have the name of there own company on the truck. In this case the company who they are leased to must have the "Operated By" before that companies name.
     
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  4. PE_T

    PE_T Road Train Member

    I have seen those cases, but interestingly there is only one motor carrier on the door as we see on contractor Swift trucks and NFI trucks. I have a feeling that these two companies are using the words “operated by” for some other reason other than because an FMCSA regulation. The guidance question posted above is talking about multiple motor carriers.
     
  5. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I bought my first truck in 1997 and the company I leased on to required the Operated By above the name. And it sure wasn't Swift or NFI. Not even close. Definitely not something that was started recently.
     
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  6. Ubu

    Ubu Road Train Member

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    There's nothing preventing a company from using "Operated By" if they only have one company name on the truck.

    Most company's that lease trucks will put that in front of their name as they can't trust a lease op to add it if they decide to add their own company name.
     
  7. PE_T

    PE_T Road Train Member

    I did a bit more reading about the phrase “operated by,” and so far I’m only seeing this phrase required when dealing with multiple motor carriers using the same truck. If this is correct, then the OP does not need to use “operated by,” assuming he doesn’t have his own motor carrier authority or his own company name (for example, if he used to have a motor carrier authority with his company name, but is no longer using his authority, but still retains his company name).

    What markings must be on a CMV?

    Can I just use Ryder's DOT #?

    If I lease onto a company can I still use my company logo and name on my trucks along with theirs

    Electronic Code of Federal Regulations (eCFR) (see eCFR code 390.21b, numbers 1, 2, and 3)
     
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  8. Ubu

    Ubu Road Train Member

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    Where did you get the imprecation that a contractor isn't a motor carrier?

    Read the FMCSA's definition of a motor carrier at https://ask.fmcsa.dot.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/248/~/what-are-the-definitions-of-motor-carrier,-broker-and-freight-forwarder.

    "A motor carrier transports passengers or property for compensation".

    No where dose it say you need to have motor carrier authority to be a motor carrier.

    You are really over thinking this.
    It's simple, if only one company name is on the truck it must be the name of the company that is responsible for the operation of the CMV. If more than one company name appears on the truck then the words "Operated By" must proceed the name of the company that is responsible for the operation of the CMV.

    Your speculations will just end up getting someone into trouble which is why I advice that peaple just go to the FMCSA to get the proper information.
     
  9. Old Man

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    My info comes from a letter from LS,.

    I have a llc with trucking in the name but I don’t have a mc number, operated by required if I put my name on the truck too.

    A few extra dollars of lettering could save a lot of problems, just do it to save getting called in and worked over.
     
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  10. PE_T

    PE_T Road Train Member

    Correct, but if you are only a contractor at Landstar, you do not need to put your company name on the truck. If you do, then you would be required to add “operated by Landstar” whenever you haul a load under Landstar’s motor carrier authority.

    Now, if you have your own authority and want to haul some loads under your authority and you happen to have “Landstar” on your truck, then you need to put “operated by __________(your trucking company name).”

    I remember reading in this site about some trucking companies having their trucks operated seasonally under Landstar’s motor carrier authority. Once the season ended, they would return back to their own motor carrier authority. Heck, it’s even possible that some Landstar contractors who have their own authority are jumping back and forth between Landstar and their own authority, assuming Landstar allows this.
     
  11. Ubu

    Ubu Road Train Member

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    You start by saying he's correct but then go on to tell him he's completely wrong?

    Your interpretation seems to come from your belief that a contractor is not a motor carrier and you are wrong about that.

    Did you miss the FMCSA's definition of a motor carrier posted and linked to above? It's their definitions that count when interpreting their rules.

    The DOT simply want's the name of the company that has authority to be obvious wen there is more then one name on the truck thus the requirement for the "Operated By" to proceed the name of that company.
     
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