DPF Issues

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Starboyjim, Feb 11, 2017.

  1. Starboyjim

    Starboyjim Road Train Member

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    I didn't know where to put this, so here it is. I own an '08 Freightliner Columbia, DD60, 14L. These trucks have the DPF emission system, EGR, so on, CARB compliant. For now. The DPF system can be a real problem on these trucks, but I just figured out something that might be useful for some people when their warning indicator for "Exhaust filter full" comes on. Once it starts blinking, you have about 50 miles before you pull over on the shoulder because your power shuts off.

    The shop should do a regen for you to clear the soot out of the filter when you're in there for a PM or whatever. On the road, however, my truck can't do a regen on it's own, so the other day when that light came on, my first though was "Oh, NO!" The indicator started blinking after an hour or so, and I was thinking about the Road Masters towing package I'd signed up for. This was on the TX130 near Austin.

    Then I had this thought. A regen only runs the engine at 1,600rpm until the filter is clear, 40 minutes, approx. There isn't any magic, it's just heat generated in the DPF unit from the high rpm. So, I downshifted to run at 1,600rpm going down the road, loaded trailer tagging along behind. I ran that 1,600r's for about 1/2 hour, and just as I gave up thinking about going much farther, the warning indicator clicked off!!

    I drove another 400 miles or so, dropped loaded trailer and went home, another 280 miles and so far, no problem. Needless to say, if your "Exhaust Filter Full' indicator comes on, give this a try. It worked for me.
     
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  3. mitmaks

    mitmaks Road Train Member

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    Glad it worked for you. However after so many regen cycles it has to come off and be cleaned/vacuumed at the shop. How many miles since it's been cleaned by a shop?
    Does your truck use coolant/oil?
     
  4. Hurst

    Hurst Registered Member

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    I have no experience with DPS systems other than with CAT C15 ACERT motors.

    Typical problems like you indicate. There can be a multitude of reasons why the filter will get to the point where the ECM de-rates power and you are forced to seek out the assistance of a shop.

    You stated yours seems to be RPM related. This could also be fuel related in your case. Yes it does need RPM's to burn off the soot,.. but its not just the RPM's. There is an injector that sprays fuel directly into the exhaust with an igniter that does exactly what it sounds like,.. it sets the exhaust on fire. If your cruising at say 1350 - 1400 RPM with a load,.. the engine may be lugging and unable to get enough fuel pressure to the injector. This could also be from a fuel filter or fuel pump problem.

    I was in a very problematic truck and saw pretty much the entire gamut of diagnoses and solutions performed in order to fix the problem. Everything from upper sensor, lower sensor,.. ECM replacement, ARD head replacement, DPF replacement, fuel lines, different brand of filters, fuel pumps, turbos,..like I said,.. this truck was a money pit. Not my truck thank God.

    I am glad that worked for you. But I have tried that,.. and did not work for the truck I was describing. To me it just means your problem stems from something else. I would definitely get it looked at and tell the shop what you experienced. Hopefully they have someone with competence who can apply that to the diagnoses and come up with a proper solution. There is no reason a DPF truck should not be able to perform a rolling regen under load.

    Hurst
     
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  5. Starboyjim

    Starboyjim Road Train Member

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    Thanks, Hurst. I'm not saying the 1,600rpm run is a solution for all, just that it is something to try if this happens to some other driver. I had that fuel issue myself, I guess fuel degrades the DPF filter, leading to more issues. Expensive issues. I did take my Columbia in, Stewart and Stevenson, not Freightliner, (I've been lied to and burned by a lot of, too many (not all) Freightliner outlets, Lone Mountain, Truck Centers, more) S&S is a specialized Detroit shop, and I run Detroit 60 series power. My truck doesn't regen with driver controls and I want that option to be available. The service manager at the Albuquerque S&S tells me a parked regen will be necessary once in a while anyway, when I asked him why the running regen wasn't taking care of my soot. All that does is run the engine at 1,600r's until the soot is cleared out - which is why I thought my solution was so brilliant. Now, maybe not so much, maybe just luck.

    I usually do run my power at 1,350 or 1,380rpm, fuel economy and lower wear? So now I'm thinking that might be part of what's going on with my DPF system. Of course, if I start running faster I'll have to pass even more of those annoying CR and Prime trucks.
     
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    Its a double edged sword. Burn more fuel (money) to keep the DPF system happy and reduce shop costs,.. or save fuel (Money) and see the shop more due to DPF issues. I dont see why it shouldnt just let you do a manual regen when it needs one. That would often solve my problem or at the very least buy me enough time to deliver my load and then see a shop after.

    I dont believe I will ever own an emissions equipped truck,.. and especially now with my desire to avoid ELDs also,.. means a much older truck for me. Thats just my personal preference. I understand the implications involved with operating an older truck. Mine has almost 1.4 million now,.. I got in it at 875k. Once I got on top of the maintenance and repairs,.. its been a very reliable truck. (Knock on wood). So another truck,.. another lengthy session of getting the bugs worked out and getting on top of everything. At least I'm not going into it with the illusion that everything will be chocolate bunnies and plastic pink flamingo's.

    Best of luck to you brother.

    Hurst
     
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    Brandt Road Train Member

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    The new truck are getting better. My 2017 Freightliner with DD13. Can do a parked regeneration automatically. The truck has the Optimized Idle, so when sleeping or during 34 hour reset. The engine will start automatically to recharge batteries or engine oil temp or heat or cool sleeper. When DPF is full from idling the computers will Regen DPF automatically. Now they do a Regen at 1350 RPM and only takes about 20 minutes. You don't have to do anything
     
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    wis bang Road Train Member

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    We are having a lot of Re-Gen problems with a variety of units. Penske is telling us that a parked re-gen isn't over when the lamp goes off but instead to wait until the engine shuts down on it's own after the lamp goes out.

    We have a lot fewer problems now.
     
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    The guy I used to work for went to The Maintaince Counsel meeting this year. One of the ideas bounces between maintaince people this year was to cut the horsepower back on the engines to force them to work a little harder and run a little hotter.
     
  10. STexan

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    That makes no sense. Cutting power capacity is not going to make an engine run hotter, quite the contrary.
     
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  11. Hurst

    Hurst Registered Member

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    Thats my thinking.

    On a gas motor, the more power you put out the more cooling capacity you need to keep it from burning up.

    I can only assume the same applies to a diesel.

    Hurst
     
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