Driving for fuel mileage

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by dannythetrucker, Apr 1, 2015.

  1. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    I'm not sure if that's a fair comparison. With the exception of those running e logs most owner operators are going to get the load there and make it right on paper. I don't run 55 but very rarely does my truck go over 70. Like stated above, if you're trying to beat closing then go for it. But I think more often than not in the real work it would be the difference between rolling into town at 8pm versus 10pm, which to many would mean getting a parking spot I guess. That's not something I have to deal with.
     
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  3. double yellow

    double yellow Road Train Member

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    The "average" truck (according to Cummins whitepaper) uses 320 horsepower at 70mph vs 180 horsepower at 55mph:

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    Horsepower and fuel consumption (per unit of time) are correlated, so:

    70mph truck uses 78% more fuel per same time ( (320-180)/180 )
    70mph truck goes 27% farther in same time ( (70-55)/55 )

    So in 1 hour, your 6.2mpg 70mph truck would burn 11.3 gallons (70/6.2) and go 70 miles. In 1 hour, the 55mph truck would have burned 6.34 gallons ( 11.3/ (1 + 78%) ) and gone 55 miles (55/6.34= 8.7 mpg)


    16,100 gallons/year 70mph
    11,500 gallons/year 55mph
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    4600 gallons/year ($9,300-$23,000 per year fuel savings at $2-$5 per gallon)


    In addition to fuel, maintenance costs are also correlated to power (just think of drive tires alone -- going 1 mile putting down 180 horsepower vs 1 mile putting down 320 horsepower)



    That said, if you need to get there by a tight deadline, by all means, drive as fast as is required (within reason). Likewise if you know you can get reloaded in the same day if you hurry, hammer down. But racing to get a front-row spot at the truck stop where you'll sit for 12 hours just doesn't make much sense to me...
     

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  5. double yellow

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    A truck geared to run optimally at 70mph is, at worst, going to be maybe 200rpm off of optimal at 55 mph. That means instead of a BSFC of 0.320 you might be at 0.325 -- a whopping 1.6% inefficiency compared the the 40% gain in efficiency at the slower speed.
     
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  6. dannythetrucker

    dannythetrucker Road Train Member

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    yep, Oscar, Zaroba, DY you guys hit the nail on the head, depends on truck. I've been tracking one truck so long I had forgotten how much it can vary. With my 9400 pulling typical stepdeck loads I lose about 0.3 mpg whether I go 65 or 70. Kind of surprised though, I thought DY pulling a van with a skirt you would not see so much difference.

    I also run pretty flat, traffic free lanes most of the time. Hills and Mountains would throw the numbers all out of whack too. I guess I can just say for my 9400 running my normal stepdeck stuff, with $3 fuel I don't get hurt running 70 if I value my time at $20/hr or more. But you guys are right everyones math is different.

    I guess my point was only that just because you are gaining tenths on fuel mileage don't assume it's an improvement, do the math. And if fuel hits $5/gal, yah, look out because I will be that guy running 54. lol, maybe. Seems like the guys running really slow are burning everyone elses fuel as they have to slow down and jockey to pass.

    One other thing worth mentioning, with open deck the loads vary alot, when I haul utility trailers if it's at all windy I can go right down to 4.5 they are so bad for catching wind. Loads like that I always want to go as slow as I feel comfortable, for me 61ish.
     
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  7. dannythetrucker

    dannythetrucker Road Train Member

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    I had to think about this a minute. Are you sure percentage horsepower = percentage fuel consumption ? Something is amiss here, I do not see this much variance from 55 to 70.
     
  8. double yellow

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    Roughly equal. Look again at the BSFC graph:

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    So for that 1994 12.7 detroit at 320 horsepower, the BSFC is ~0.310 at peak efficiency (1400 rpm). At 180 horsepower, the BSFC is ~0.325 at peak efficiency (1400 rpm)

    320 horsepower * 0.310 lb/bhp-hr = 99.2 lb of diesel burned in an hour (~7lb/gal ~= 14.2 gallons)
    180 horsepower * 0.325 lb/bhp-hr = 58.5 lb of diesel (~=8.4 gallons)

    (14.2-8.4)/8.4 = 69% -- which isn't terribly far off from the 78% we'd estimate if we assumed perfectly equal BSFC.

    On perfectly flat ground, my truck does ~9.3 mpg at 55mph vs ~6.8 at 70. The more aerodynamic your truck, the less variance you'll see. Here's what that cummins power graph would look like with just a trailer tail (~10% aero improvement, no change in other resistance):

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  9. dannythetrucker

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    that's amazing, I have to admit I have a bit of egg on my face. The truth is I never run under 65, not enough to know what my truck would do there. too late now, dropped it at the salegrounds this morning. I guess the new one I will have to get some data @ 55 and 60. I do run similar loads same route, so as long as it's not windy should get some good comparisons.

    BTW, I averaged 7.2 with the 2005 Intl ISX 435, pulling stepdeck, and most of that was 70 mph, some 65 never less. So I was pleased with that, but yah, no real data what it would have done at 55.
     
  10. truckon

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    Hey Danny, if you get clucks Swedish meatball, it means no more driving slow... your gonna have to race from one service center to the next [emoji2]
     
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    dannythetrucker Road Train Member

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    we measure 2011 Volvo's in breakdown's per mile. fuel is only secondary expense !
     
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  12. blairandgretchen

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    My first thought was maintenance costs - drive train stress travelling at higher speed, to offset the cost in your first post Danny. Have to be tracked consistently over a long period, but I'm thinking it might narrow the gap.

    Funny, after so long speed governed, I kinda feel a bit naughty busting the 65 barrier - but it is nice to get around much slower traffic without causing a fuss. Usually I'm at about 63 - 66, and watching the scan guage.
     
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  13. dannythetrucker

    dannythetrucker Road Train Member

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    To me the tire wear and drive train stress comes more from applying torque. Maintaining 70 is not a lot of stress unless you are trying to do it going up a hill. The wear is more from accelerating quickly, grabbing gears like a madman, trying to get up hills fast. I drop gears and baby it up hills, accelerate very slow and gentle, going downhill whenever possible. I've had pretty good success driving this way I barely ever replace brakes, my tires last incredibly well. The 1/2 worn recaps on the truck I bought made it three years... My suspension still tight as new on truck with 900,000. The only thing bad about how I drive is I have had to replace a few clutches, that is over 2 million miles though. Not 100% sure if it was just dumb luck, guy who drove truck ahead of me or what. But I suspect sometimes I let out the clutch just a bit too slow, if I could break that habit and let it jerk just a bit more they would probably not wear out.

    But I'm not disagreeing I'm sure in general rolling 70 would be a bit harder on a truck in some fashion than 55 all other things equal. just pointing out it's how fast you get to speed, how hard you brake, how you release clutch that causes wear more so than top speed.
     
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