ELD vs Real life scenarios

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by TallJoe, Nov 4, 2016.

  1. TallJoe

    TallJoe Road Train Member

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    Questions to those on ELDS already:
    1. Is your ELD recording, if you move your truck from one parking spot to another within a truck stop parking lot.
    2. If you at a warehouse and they have kept you waiting for less than 8 hours and finished after your 14 hour limit has been exceeded and they force you to leave their property under threat of calling cops, do you just resign to the inevitable HOS violation and if so, is it excusable to a potential audit, if well documented?
    3. You thought you could make it there half an hour before your 11 but due to a traffic delay/accident/weather you end up being over your 11. Do you have any provisions other than the accident/weather?
    5. Are the ELDS required to be somehow logged on to your terminal office, so that whatever is recorded your company has it too?
    6. if you just disconnect it, break it, abuse it and play fool that you don't know what happened to it, does it give you any pass?
    7. If you simply violated unwillingly your HOS, but did not get that discovered right away at a scale house, is it just a matter of time before you are fined?
     
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  3. x1Heavy

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    Just document everything down to the minute and second where availible. Back it up with photographs. Name names. Shipper mr Onion Rings told you to gtf off the property etc. Document that.

    Anything that is a real life problem, document it carefully. Do not dispose of that paperwork And photos. Someone will be asking you questions about it soon enough.

    Government mandated logs is a attempt to destroy paper logs pernamently. They have or will succeed very soon when no one will be able to buy paper logs anymore or lawfully use them. Unfortunately there are thousands of posts detailing the flaws you stated and various peanut gallery responses to these problems in real life versus the computer.

    I for one never had computer telling me what to do with my time in the truck. Im glad.
     
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  4. w.h.o

    w.h.o Road Train Member

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    1. If you drive in circles for 5 minutes it will record, less than that it doesn't.

    2. Just do a split break in the dock or the road.

    3. Poor trip planning on your part. If it was a major accident, deliver the next day. No load is that important to risk it.

    4. There is no 4 okay

    5. ? Just like paper a copy for u a copy for company

    6. If it become inoperable, you go back on paper till you fix it.

    7. Unless they do an audit or you got check again before 8 days pass. But usually the computer will tell the dot if you been in violation
     
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  5. TallJoe

    TallJoe Road Train Member

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    I hate to acknowledge that it is time to adjust and do some preemptive damage control. Some things may not be an option for me any longer, but I want to know to what extent.
     
  6. TallJoe

    TallJoe Road Train Member

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    I like the answer number 6 the best.
     
  7. TallJoe

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    Missing question #4 Has anyone of you thought of hacking it and editing it like a word processor document. Ha ha ha ha! Thus question #5.
     
  8. w.h.o

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    Why adjust? All it does is do what you do on paper but make it digital. Unless you mean you sometimes do illegal stuff then that's going to be a HOS issue not eld
     
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    Most of these devices permit some measure of low-speed, short-distance movement, before putting you on the drive line, so you can typically move the truck around on private property, without it being recorded as a violation. They generally do send your logs to the carrier, and the carrier will generally audit all of your logs, to find violations - usually within 24 hours. Most of the time, you can edit your log to correct violations, although sometimes your ability to edit is limited. You may, for example, only be able to edit time in the sleeper, off-duty, or on-duty - but not drive time. They might not let you edit, at all. It varies from ELD to ELD, and from carrier to carrier. It is often configurable, and different carriers will choose different configurations.

    It's worth noting that there is usually a designated log department or log manager, at your carrier, who can edit your log more fully than you can, and who can implement corrections that you can't, if you contact them. There is no guarantee that they *will* implement your corrections, or that they won't make changes to your logs which create retroactive violations without notifying your or asking your permission. And these departments/individuals often carry the disciplinary power of the Safety/Compliance department to punish you for whatever violations they find/create. Violations found by DoT can result in fines, but DoT does not audit logs as frequently as the carriers do, and since carriers can be held to the fire for log violations, they aren't generally eager to snitch to the DoT. Expect them to lobby, to change that, and also expect log compliance to become a line item on your DAC report, in the future.

    There is a weekly exception for unexpected weather/traffic conditions, in the DoT rules, to extend your 11-hour clock up to 2 hours. It is not always available in ELDs, and when it is, it must typically be configured to be made available to the driver, by the log manager. I believe it applies under the regulation, only to drivers with routes that start and end in the same place, each day (local or route drivers), and it cannot be combined with the rule the gives a weekly 2-hour extension to the 14-hour rule.

    Note that just because it is legal, doesn't mean that your carrier will allow you to use it - and where carrier policy influences the permissions that you are given, on your ELD, that policy can force you into violations of law, on your logbook.
     
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  10. TallJoe

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    Well. Yes digital is either 0 or 1. On paper you have this ...tweaking margin, which will allow you to arrive 7 minutes after for which no one deserves to be called an outlaw just by rounding it off. Or if they hold me 6 hours at Walnart and will tell me to leave and it's past my 14 and I can't finish my 8 in the sleeper to utilize the split, then i, of course, will have an inclination not to show it. So my adjustment has to do with certain inclinations. Illegal things(?)... perhaps but on the same level of being a waiter receiving 100 dollar bill of a tip and not reporting it to IRS.
     
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  11. TallJoe

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    I like the permission of a slow movement, low speed. These are the intricacies of ELDS I need to know about before I am comitted to one. FOR instance, in order to get offloaded at some warehouses you have to drive 2-3 minutes from a staging area to a dock. On paper I will not show it as being on duty driving but rather make it a part of line 4. With ELDs I would not know what I would do.
     
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