ELD vs Real life scenarios

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by TallJoe, Nov 4, 2016.

  1. Brandt

    Brandt Road Train Member

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    I think hacking them would be difficult because you would have all the data to make up and match. You will have the GPS location the truck milage and the HOS. You could try and do failed signal trpe of hack and then run paper logs. I don't think that something you could do on a regular basis. You can install the ELDs yourself. They are made for that. So you can just unplug the display unit on Qualcomm or unplug the Qualcomm computer yourself. They only problem would be the ECM miles would show up once you plug it back in or turn it back on. The D.O.T does not check the mileage, not sure if Qualcomm put the mileage on the printed logs. PeopleNet just put beginning and ending miles but it shows every change you made to your logs with the GPS location. Seems like a lot of work for nothing.

    If they don't load the truck on time you should not have to driver over your hours. The driver should not have to make up for their screwups. Maybe with ELDs we will start using the 2 hour extra for unseen events. I got stopped in PA. The D.O.T inspector said you could use that but if they see you using it all the time they would write you violation. That just one inspectors point of view. I don't think ELDs will be the end of trucking that people want to believe. It might be the end of working more then 70 hours.
     
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  3. free spirited1

    free spirited1 Heavy Load Member

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    Here's another take from a physical standpoint , if the shipper is going to violate your logs, especially if you have arrived with reasonable time on hour clock, and they are just slow,etc etc on their part , and they don't have overnight parking (ovnp). Usually 1 to 2 hrs before my clock runs out I will tell them respectively here is your choice: 1. I drop the trailer at your dock, and come back after break and hook up to if and depart. 2. You provide me parking at your dock or elsewhere on the property. This has worked many times for me over the years at a good many shippers . even with the hardcore ones. Many don't know this but by the latest DOT rules the shipper can also be held accountable for violating the "coercion" DOT rule. I know one driver that called the DOT up and shipper conceded and gave the driver 10 hr break parking. I also keep everyone in the loop by sending a message to dispatch with names, times, etc of any such situation while at that shipper. Need to document, document, document, it's important. Respect to all involved and keeping your kool is key also. Had a yard dog go to bat for me before, saying hey we are at fault here, the drivers out of hours, I got a dock were not using that the driver can park at. Don't wait till your clock is down to 10 mins to inform them of the situation. Been on Elogs for like nearly 6 years as company driver where I drive, all 48 states and Canada, paper b4 that
     
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  4. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    Driver. Have you looked at the steering wheel holders associated with mega carriers? Any monkey can drive a truck.
    Have you looked at the people that work in operations at mega carriers? They know nothing beyond their smart phone.
    The mega's, that are the ATA, which is the government, brought this, not small carriers and O/O.
     
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  5. Fatmando

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    That there are monkeys doing the work badly does not make it monkey work. That was rather the point that I was making.
     
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  6. TallJoe

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    I am just afraid, that the period of adjusting to ELDs will be very awkward for both - us on paper logs and brokers/shippers/receivers. They will not always understand, want to understand the new realm of operations. They'll have this attitude of "It ain't my problem" . A few lawsuits, a few media reports, a few new laws could help, but it may take time during which I don't want to be a victim of this misunderstanding. It may not effect the big companies as they are inherently different in what they do in their operations and logistically. But for single warriors it may be a very painful game change. For example, I don't see how Salinas, Ca stays in the style it has been for years, but that has been money for so many of us.
     
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  7. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    Well you hit the nail on the head. It's one more avenue the mega's can take to steal our business on hot loads, because they will promise to repower it half a dozen times to get it their. The drivers that operate under this doctrine of the 300 mile load repowers make this possible.
     
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  8. x1Heavy

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    We are already there. Been repowering loads as a team back in 2000.

    You won't believe that with FFE chasing late loads on singles was a long drawn out national emergency.
     
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  9. gokiddogo

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    How I am going about it is informing my customers now about the changeover and a new system, of sorts, that will be the way it goes, otherwise they will just have to team everything.

    I calculate the estimated number of hours from the minute I depart the shipper to the receiver, including break times, time for border/inspection/fuel/etc. I tell them I can be at the receiver say 26 hours after I leave the shipper. If they don't like it, don't give me the load. If it turns out I get loaded at 5 pm and the receiver closes at 5 pm, they can schedule it for delivery the following morning. If they don't like it, either find a team, or someone who is running a 99 or older truck and will still break the rules. If they don't want to hear it, they can hire mega company and cross their fingers hoping for the best. If I get driven out, nobody will ever find me behind the wheel of any company truck other than my name on it. Driver shortage? You got it!
     
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    rickstephens Light Load Member

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    Well there will be paper logs because even on eld u have to carry paper in case eld stops working .
     
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