Freight Volume in a recession? What to expect.

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Jumpman, Apr 27, 2023.

  1. Jumpman

    Jumpman Light Load Member

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    I have my CDL but literally the week I got it another offer came up and I am now in Texas. Nothing to do with my CDL. I am happy with my current gig and if the economy does not crater I plan to stick with it but always keeping an eye open for a backup plan so as a novice when it comes to trucking I figured it would be one of the more stable industries, people still buy things and need to eat so the trucks have to keep going at least for the most part. Another concern I have is I have a clean driving/criminal record but also no real OTR experience so I am sure I would have to do some training before they would cut me loose. At the end of the day I am the kinda guy that likes to know things are stable and always have a backup plan so driving truck was sort of my backup plan but it seems more and more to me that maybe that is not much of a backup plan after all. What do you guys think?

    As far as flatbed, yes very much still open. Also if I do go OTR I am not tied to any specific part of the country so would be willing to relocate wherever the best opportunity comes up.
     
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    Reason for edit: Forgot to answer part of the question.
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  3. lual

    lual Road Train Member

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    Backup plan?

    Maybe. Or maybe not.

    In the past--as the economic situation worsened, other people like yourself also looked to trucking as something of an economic "parachute". But...trucking companies are (in some ways) just like everybody else--as the business climate worsens, they cut back, and offer fewer job opportunities. And the opportunities that they continue to offer often have higher/stiffer qualifications (req'd experience).

    Thus--what you'll likely encounter is A LOT of other people (much like yourself) competing for A LOT fewer driving jobs. That's not really much of a "backup" plan. :(

    On the flip side--if trucking was still your "backup" economic plan, but you instead already had 2+ years of CDL driving experience (with a clean driving record, no drug test refusals or positive results, & no citations--current or pending)--PLUS....ALL the available CDL endorsements (tanker, hazmat, doubles/triples), PLUS....a valid, current TWIC card, PLUS....a valid, current US passport--THEN your trucking backup plan would in fact be much more "rock solid." :Egypt Pyramids:

    Simply put: trucking companies put a very high value on experience, credentials, and of course....a clean record. At the end of the day--it's all about "safety". If you bring those to the table....you're pretty much "golden". :thumbup:

    To your other question: is trucking really all that recession-resistant? :confused:

    Best answer: based on what I've witnessed....it really all "just depends"...on at least several factors. With that said....some types of freight do indeed tend to be more recession-resistant than others. Like I suggested earlier/above: think "food"...or "food-related".

    To help keep the discussion fair--a non-food example: in the last deep recession (during covid), I was pulling railroad intermodal duty, out of Atlanta. There, we stayed crazy busy, throughout that recession. So busy....that Schneider finally started hiring more drivers for Atlanta intermodal. Meanwhile--drivers elsewhere in many places spent too much time sitting, and waiting for loads.

    If you had studied most of my BOLs during that time...what you would have seen were household staples--and NOT just food. Most of my intermodal loads were for: Walmart, Target, General Mills, P&G, and the like.

    But intermodal duty is NOT something I would recommend for a brand new driver, with no previous CDL experience elsewhere. :oops:

    Hope some of this helps you out...later on "down the road". :p

    -- Lual
     
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  4. Kenworth6969

    Kenworth6969 Road Train Member

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    Check this chart out.
    Get a box a tissues ready.

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  5. Jumpman

    Jumpman Light Load Member

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    So how do you guys read this?

    01. people are not spending as much
    02. businesses over spent last year trying to get inventory that they overstocked
    03. business is simply not buying as much because they are expecting a major down turn in the economy
    04. something else
     
  6. NH Guy

    NH Guy Medium Load Member

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    A little bit of everything, id go with all the stuff people couldnt get in the early panicdemic was getting caught up in 2021-22 pushing volume up. Now inventory is high and all the rumblings of recession are making people nervous. We are overdue for recession but it got pushed back by the massive amounts of spending over the last 3 years, money has run out and inflation is going to make the delayed recession worse.
     
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  7. Mattflat362

    Mattflat362 Road Train Member

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    IMO poeple are just sick of crap. Less is more. A paid off house is better than a new car.

    A balanced budget is more important than gadgets, trinkits, new and/or excess furniture, new TV's, bla bla bla.

    Young people really don't care and IMO will consume FAR less than previous generations.

    I just get a sense that people don't want to be bothered anymore. Like just work, home, play and that is it.

    No more mass consumtion of disposable crap.

    So....#3 I would say.
     
  8. Big Road Skateboard

    Big Road Skateboard Road Train Member

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    Yep
     
  9. Frank Speak

    Frank Speak Road Train Member

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    Pardon my ignorance (I'm not a O/O) but are you talking rates or volume? It's huge either way, but if it's rates...Wow!
     
  10. Big Road Skateboard

    Big Road Skateboard Road Train Member

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    Volume, sorry I didn't clarify.
     
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  11. Blu_Ogre

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    A couple of more ties to make:

    Refer is tied to food, think we can all agree with that.
    I do understand that the frozen warehouses are starting to have issues with too much product in storage.

    Dry Van ties to shelf stable food and consumer goods.
    Storage facilities are filling up with late arrival seasonal product, that may need to be stored for a year or blown out at a discount. Lead time for delivery has caused stored inventory increases in consumer products that have had a slowdown in demand, like home appliances and home spruce up stuff. Folks pulled forward their remodel projects during Covid so now we see a demand slump. Hoarders are using down their stash of toilet paper.

    Flat Bed tends to transport construction and manufacturing stuff.
    The demand for the outflow of the small manufactured goods is probably off due to finished goods building up, due to lower consumer demand. Construction also is a bit more seasonal, Not sure if things have warmed up enough to start the demand for truckloads of lumber yet. Also have not been following new housing/construction starts in the news to project how much it will cycle up this year. Would also need to look at capital asset buying trends to see changes in volume for A.C. units, construction equipment, On site generators, and other large stuff.

    Lots of pieces in a big puzzle..... For the durable goods I think we are in a demand valley after a peak during Covid, may be lowered further by consumers tightening their personal budgets. Currently flat beds are being affected by the combined lower consumer demands and low seasonal demands.
     
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