Gear Ratio Confusion

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by PO Stoner, Mar 19, 2016.

  1. PO Stoner

    PO Stoner Light Load Member

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    So....since I'm just starting out and am stuck with buying a used fleet truck more than likely, but want a 75mph truck, a used Ryder truck with 3:55 gears, a 10 speed, 450hp S60 is probably my best option. Or, a Cascadia with 3:70 gears and a DD15 if I'm willing to go with a CARB truck. The problem with either is I will probably be running around 1600-1650 rpms so my fuel mileage will suffer. I'm stuck on 75 because that's the speed limit here, by the way, and see no point in needing to go faster. Any faster will definitely require a 13 speed and probably 500hp. Much later on, I could do a transmission swap once I've banked some cash in the maintenance fund.
     
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  3. double yellow

    double yellow Road Train Member

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    10 overdrive with 3.55 will put you at 1625rpm at 75mph.

    You'll probably be using in the ballpark of ~250hp at that speed, so a 12.7 is giving up ~1% efficiency compared to being geared for 1500rpm.

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    You're giving up another 2-3% efficiency being in an overdrive.


    So if you got 6.5mpg running 75 with that 10speed OD/3.55, you might get 6.75mpg with a 13-speed direct & 2.31's...
     
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  4. uncleal13

    uncleal13 Road Train Member

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    Any particular reason you feel the need to run 75 mph. Load/service requirements? Timing, etc.
     
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  5. TaylorMade407

    TaylorMade407 Road Train Member

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    Are you saying you wanna turn the truck up to 75 or are you mainly operating out west and wanna run with the big boys. Cheap, fast, and reliable. Pick two. (Kinda like building a race car)
     
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  6. Starboyjim

    Starboyjim Road Train Member

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    I must be missing something. The transmission gearing is important in this. But differential gearing is the part I don't get. 2.64 means fewer rpms per axle rotation, right? and 3.74 (my differential ratio) means engine revolutions per axle revolution, right? So a 3:74-1 differential will cruise slower at 1,500rpm than a 2:64?

    I say this because my truck, 60 series 14L with 3:74 gearing is not a fast cruising truck. It'll pull a house, but not at 70mph. I do get 7-8mpg at 65, which is a good thing, but it would be (maybe) more profitable to get there a little quicker and hook up to another load. Drop and hook, pre-loads, if they're ready when I'd show up quicker, anyway.
     
  7. uncleal13

    uncleal13 Road Train Member

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    Generally trucks with direct drive transmission use rears under 3.00, overdrive trannies use rears higher.
    In top gear a direct drive transmission does no multiplication or division. Overdrive transmissions in top gear divide the engine rpm by 0.73 on average.
    Then there's the issue of startability. But you're not inquiring about that.
     
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  8. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    Same thoughts here.

    I got wrapped up a bit too much in the gearing when looking for a truck - it limited the choices considerably.

    It's rare that I need to travel faster than 70, monitoring the scan guage and tank to tank I found I was getting good MPG at 64mph, my 90 day average is 6.7 winter /7 summer pulling open deck.

    I tend to cruise along in an open space, and just pass slower traffic when needed.

    70 mph for 10 hours gets you 50 miles further than 65 does. My schedule is normally not that tight, and I feel higher speeds are detrimental to maintenance costs and fuel.

    After I realized this, I set about increasing revenue, and decreasing costs.
     
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  9. mover man

    mover man Road Train Member

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    I dont no about all these numbers and ratio's. I do no if you have like 4:10(like garbage trucks do) it will pull anything but isnt fast. If you have 2:10 (like my old burlington truck did) it will run its ### off. But if you even say hill, you will start down shifting. Now my last truck a 1997 ftl century had a ser 60 475hp 13sp eaton fuller and 3:55rears. Could run great (not the fastest maybe 3rd place) climb up hill well (pass most but not all) and give me 6.5-7 mpg driving 72 mph regardless of east coast or west coast all over the country. So for me i say 13sp trans and 3:55 is just right. (Others will say 3:70 but there almost equal
     
  10. fortycalglock

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    75 mph pulling containers? You'll learn soon enough why that isn't practical. 3.36-3.58 is the area you'll want to be in with an overdrive transmission. The flatter the operating area, the lower you can go, numerically.
     
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  11. PO Stoner

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    In this area, 75mph sets you up for 1 long haul, like KC to Wichita and back, with enough time to do a short haul and still get home in time for dinner with about an hour drive time left for an unforeseen issue if needed. I need the speed to get a run on the hills around here too. My current truck runs at 70 and I nearly always have to down shift near the top of the hills (Kansas isn't all flat).
     
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