I have a business buying lobsters off the boats in Maine and bringing them to sell at Farmers Markets. When we started this whole thing it was simply a knee jerk reaction to the Covid shutdownin the Northeast, and at the time didn't give one thought to the future of where it would go, until now. At the time my wife and I were just using a pickup truck towing a 16' enclosed trailer with 2x3500lb axles, and were staying at hotels over the weekend. This got to be expensive, so we decided to convert a shuttle to stay in. I went with an F550 powerstroke and it's been going just fine. I upgraded the trailer to a 24' with 2x5500 axles. Now we're thinking of going farther with our product, but it looks like I'll need to get a DOT number to do it. But from what I'm learning about being a non CDL driver, and going from being a commercial fisherman my entire life to a driver, there's definitely a learning curve, and because of that I very well may have put myself in a bit of a pickle.
An F550 has a GVWR of 18,500 and my trailer is rated at 11,000. From what I'm finding out, DOT goes by GVWR not GVW.
My question is this: if my GVWR is over 26,000lbs but I don't exceed 26,000 GVW, can I still run my rig and be compliant at a weigh station?
On a scale the 550's GVW is just shy of 14,000 full of fuel and water.
Tell me I don't need to buy another f**cking vehicle...
GVWR vs GVW
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oh that pains me to say…
I bought the trailer I need to carry the product we need to sell. If I go with a lighter rated trailer, I lose money.
On the other hand, if I have to buy another truck, I lose money.
So it looks like ###### if I do, ###### if I don't.
What was the thread?
I'd like to read through it.
It this legal?
You may can take the trailer to a trailer shop and have it down graded to a 10k trailer and get a certificate stating it’s a 10k trailer. Unless that extra 1,000 pounds is where your profit is. In which case yes you’re F’dLast edited: Feb 6, 2023
26,000 for tractor
10,000 for trailer
26,000 for combined
If the trailer is over 10,000 gvwr and the combination is over 26,000 you are in CDL A territory.
You might want to talk to @Accidental Trucker as he started in your shoes. Hauling fish until the trucking part became a full time business.tscottme Thanks this.
Have the trailer derated on paper to 7500lbs new registration from trailer shop
If you are over 26000lbs you need a Class A. I believe if you have a class B you can have a trailer less than 10,000 lbs.
if your are driving anything larger than an f250 across state lines for commerce you need. DOT numbers( I think). Google your states CDL license requirements. It will be explained.
Lite bug Road Train Member
Last edited: Feb 8, 2023
- May 3, 2014
singlescrewshaker Thanks this.
Brandonpdx Road Train Member
- Dec 27, 2007
You'd be better off with a modern 1-ton dually that only weighs around 8500 empty with a 14k GVWR if you want to avoid the CDL thing. The F-550 is too heavy for non-CDL work and cuts way too far into your payload capacity on the trailer if the hard ceiling for everything is 26,000. Derating the trailer down to 7500 (if you can even do that...some trailer mfgs refuse to play such games after the trailer is built) is a bad idea. The trailer itself probably weighs 4,000 lbs empty meaning you'd only be able to haul 3,500 lbs of lobsters to stay legal which sucks.
JChors Medium Load Member
- Apr 20, 2009
Why use a combination vehicle at all? Sell the truck and trailer, and get yourself a 26,000lb GVWR rated box truck with a liftgate and a small sleeper. It keeps you under CDL, means less vehicles to register and insure, lower toll road/bridge fees, less tires, brakes, and axles to maintain, a more durable Class 5 or 6 chassis than a pickup, a DOT legal sleeper, easier parking, and the ability to load/unload at both a dock and ground service. That's what i would do.Last edited: Feb 19, 2023