How do I dispute a csa point violation or psp

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by texan168, Aug 3, 2012.

  1. Scalemaster

    Scalemaster Heavy Load Member

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    395.15 applies to AOBRs - tablets, apps, or elogs that hook up to the ECM module or engine of the truck.

    395.8 applies to tablets, apps, etc that do NOT hook up to the ECM module. Paper log rules.
     
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  3. Craymarris

    Craymarris Light Load Member

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    So are you saying you support the current psp system? you sound like a honest officer, all that means is that you do not work in Indiana. I have been driving safely for over 25 years, no accidents over 300 dot inspections, all passed, and very few actual tickets, none of those tickets in a commercial vehicle, but now the only job I can land is one from a company who doesn't care about safety, why?
    I have 5 warning tickets all from Indiana, in four of those cases the officer told me the reason I was getting a warning and not a ticket is because he had no proof that I did anything wrong, the other warning ticket was the officer pulled me over for a level 3, when I passed that he said the policy was he had to write me for something because he pulled me over, so he wrote me a warning ticket for parking on the side of the hwy. this is no joke, it happened.

    what is broken about the psp system is that I was never given my day in court to fight these tickets, or to contest them, the officer said i am guilty and that's it, the insurance companies thinks that there is no such thing as a dis-honest officer. that if the officer wrote a warning it must be true, well that's horse ####.

    Warnings should not show up on psp reports that employers can view, I'm not saying they should be ignored either, I would be ok with doing away with warnings, if I did something wrong write me a ticket lets have a judge decide. cops are not perfect and should not have the power to destroy some ones life because they are having a bad day.

    At very least the officer should have to provide evidence, and there should be a system in place to contest the officers opinion. You may be a honest officer, but that is not always the case. One mans opinion should not have the power to destroy a persons career. Now if I have actual convictions to back those warnings up, that would be different. but to be forced to work for un-safe companies just because of the unfounded opinion of a single person, that is wrong.

    and on a side note, please tell me why when a officer conducts a level 3 inspection 99% of the time they will not write it up if you pass it, but will always write it up when you fail. to me this is Fishing, and the supreme court has ruled that is UN-constitutional.
     
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  4. Craymarris

    Craymarris Light Load Member

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    If warning points can't be appealed, then they should not show up on PSP reports. a warning is just one persons opinion, that may or may not be true. such as, a four wheeler cuts you off, "I know this never happens right" a officer who was looking elsewhere at the time did not see the car cut you off but sees you following too close, you explain this to the officer, he agrees with you that stuff happens and there's nothing you can do about it, so in place of writing you a ticket you can fight he gives you a warning ticket that you can not fight, because it is Indiana.
     
  5. Scalemaster

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    No, I am not saying the psp system is perfect. I think it needs tweaking.
    Never heard of such a ridiculous policy. Around here a warning or citation must be for an actual violation of statute or regulation. Not for pulling over for an officer.

    If you can't get satisfaction from a DataQ challenge, go back to the old ways - contact the officer's supervisor, lodge a complaint. Keep chewing up the chain of command. The agency may not be aware the officer is pulling stunts like that.
     
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  6. doubletake

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    Purchased 1979 Peterbilt Cabover. Being a certified mechanic, I redid the entire truck all the way down to the breaks. I am a big fan of cabovers and I have redone several for shows. Decided to go back on the road. First trip out, DOT level 1 inspection. During the inspection, the DOT officer's ruler stick broke, so he couldn't properly measure the breaks and told me that he didn't know how to measure them the "old school" way. He didn't have a replacement stick either. DOT officer claimed I had a rear marker light out on the trailer, but the light was on. I was blown away! The most concerning was the comment that the DOT officer made to me. He stated that "because of the year of the truck" that I would be "pulled into the scale house every time" because he claimed he could always find something on these trucks. So basically, not only was this a threat but I was now a target. In the end, he racked the points on breaks for tractor and trailer and also cited the marker light on the violation report. Furthermore, the annual inspection of the trailer was performed on 8/13/2018, 8 days prior to the DOT officers Level 1. The annual inspection passed! I am considering contesting the violations because I know the breaks were correct, not only by my work, but also the annual inspection done 8 days prior to this event. Any thoughts or recommendations on this? I was thinking it might be best to file a complaint for documentation purposes so that if I am continued to be harassed because of the year of the truck by DOT, I have it documented.
     
  7. wilsondeedub

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    I'm a class A truck driver who had 2 accidents that was not my fault, both people received the citation but I received the points that is stopping me from being employed.. #clueless
     
  8. scottied67

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    They are in the process of changing it so that the non-at-fault driver will not receive the CSA points.

    This all stems from a driver years ago whose truck was struck by a falling piece of concrete from a bridge and incurred CSA points, congresspeople laid into the FMCSA boss with pit bull teeth.
     
  9. ZVar

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    Unlikely. Are you listing them on apps? Are the apps even asking fro them? I.e. does the app ask for any wreck, or any preventable wreck?

    I say unlikely as there is no national system for drivers to get points. CSA "scores" are for the company. PSP reports are just that, reports with no point value assigned.

    Aslo, what city / state you live in? How much experience? @Chinatown will be along shortly to give you suggestions of where to apply.
     
  10. Chinatown

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    When were the accidents?
    Where is your location?
     
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