I AM SO SICK OF ELD'S! It's not making the industry any safer.

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by MooneyBravo, Jun 21, 2025.

  1. MooneyBravo

    MooneyBravo Heavy Load Member

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    I'm sure this is probably an old topic by now and there's probably been a bazillion posts on this topic but I'm going to go ahead and post my two cents. I guess it's recently caused me enough aggravation where I felt inclined to write about it.

    I've been out here since 1985. I never thought that I would reach this mindset but I really wish they would bring back paper logs or even online logbooks. I love how ELD's save you the trouble of recording your day. I used to let my log book go for several stops and then I would have to sit down and figure it all out. Especially if the word was that the scale house was checking log books. Not to mention closing your log at the end of the day.

    Believe it or not, it has also led to less stringent shipper demands. Of course, I'm a car hauler so I don't have the same challenges that many of you drivers do when it comes to shipper and receiver appointments. I remember when I started back in the '80s, you might get delayed several hours for a number of reasons waiting for a shipper to get your trailer loaded. Now you're in Ohio, looking at the clock. It's 6:00 p.m. and they want you in Brooklyn 8:00 in the morning.

    And God help you if you were carrying perishable items. Because if you didn't make your appointment on time you got to go sit in the waiting lot until pretty much the end of the day. And that's if they were willing to work overtime.

    As a car hauler, I don't have those challenges. Except for the numbskulls that only operate between 9:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. and they won't let you do any overnight drops. Most of the places that I go to allow what is known as STI. Which means subject to inspection. I delivered to four locations today and I never had to speak with anyone. I simply unloaded my vehicles, drop the keys in the dropbox and moved on to the next location.

    What I don't like is how you can't move your truck 2 inches without it placing you on line number 3. I still play by the old rules sometimes. If I run out of hours on one side of say Dallas, TX at 9:00 p.m. and there's no traffic out, I'm not going to sit there until 7:00 in the morning just so I can sit in rush hour traffic. That makes absolutely no sense!

    And God help you if you move your truck 2 in before your 34 hour restart or your 10 hours is complete. Now you just screwed up your whole day or next couple of days for that matter.

    I will say one thing. I don't think it's made it any safer out here. There was a time when you only heard about those pile ups on the interstate every now and then. Now they seem to happen several times a year and I don't think it's because of tired drivers going over hours. The biggest problems out here are 4 wheelers and insufficient driver training. But that's a different conversation.

    I'm going to end this post with a little bit of humor. I can only remember two or maybe three times in my extensive career where a DOT man asked to see my logbook. Whenever they asked to see my log book, I usually replied; Which one? They would usually smile and reply; The only one you should have.
    LOL

    Ahh, the good old days.
     
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  3. bryan21384

    bryan21384 Road Train Member

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    I've had paper, and I've had ELDs. I would never go back to paper. Now everything requires more planning, and flexibility on both sides of the coin. I've made more consistent money without having to be so burned out with ELDs. As far as the roads being safer, I can't say. I think distracted driving and speed is more the culprit for pile ups but that's dialogue for another day. I made more mistakes on paper than I ever have on ELDs. Touch the screen, go to sleep. Seconds of work. Lol
     
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  4. austinmike

    austinmike Road Train Member

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    Did paper when I first started in aught 12. Hated it. E logs much easier.
     
  5. D.Tibbitt

    D.Tibbitt Road Train Member

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    U should be able to creep around under 5mph without your logbook going on to drive line.
     
  6. Rideandrepair

    Rideandrepair Road Train Member

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    I just started using an ELD. I’ve ran right up to the last minute 3-4 times already. It’s a PITA. Don’t think I want to do it for very long. I’ve learned taking a break for more than 1.5 hrs. I risk losing driving time. I need to get out and walk around a bit every 3-4 hrs. for my health. Everything else needs to be done during my 10 hr. break. During the 3-4 hrs. spent wide awake waiting till I can legally run. What a waste of time.
     
  7. JC1971

    JC1971 Road Train Member

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    It's ridiculous that drivers have to do that. Say you're on a reset and you got in late to the Petro in Joplin and had to park at the farthest end of the lot. It's pouring rain the next morning and you want to move to the front row but you have to be super careful not to hit 5 MPH. It takes forever to get across that parking lot at 3 MPH. The elementary school BS needs to disappear from this industry.
     
  8. MacLean

    MacLean Road Train Member

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    I refuse to run outside of Alberta or for a company not Running Provincial for that matter very reason.
     
  9. Judge

    Judge Road Train Member

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    they’ll never bring it back. Most can’t run paper logs now, they can’t speak English, can’t do basic math.
    So you can’t make it to the other side of Dallas without traffic, shut down earlier, start earlier.
    They want you as a government job, 9-430/5.
    Now when there’s an emergency they want you to run unrestrained/unrestricted, everyone jumps up and down!!
    “ Yeah!! We’ll make money now!!”
    Why? To help those who will turn and blow smoke to you right when they no longer need you, throw you under the bus?

    It’s not a new thing, use yard move/14 hour. You wanna park closer to get outta the rain, just march on up there.
    A little water never hurt anyone.
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  10. Studebaker Hawk

    Studebaker Hawk Road Train Member

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    The forced inflexibility of ELD's, now mandated for over 7 years has clearly had an impact on the overall accident frequency and severity of class 8 trucks.

    I almost never see any serious accidents anymore caused by speeding, rear end collisions, parking in inappropriate dangerous locations.
     
  11. Kyle G.

    Kyle G. Road Train Member

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    I guess I could take it or leave it. I have done both and both have their advantages.

    Nowadays I work at a job where we don't have to log at all. Not gonna lie, it's pretty sweet!
     
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