Indiana says time at dock must be logged on-duty

....which is exactly why i'm for hrly wages for all company OTR drivers, especially when e-logs go into effect! !!!
......for every minute at a shipper, every snow storm, every traffic jam, all down time for repairs, every minute fueling or waiting in line for fuel, every time you scale a load, every minute you are on stand by waiting for the next load information, every pre- trip & post, .....the driver will be PAID! !!! during his 14 hr window of opportunity each and every day of the week he is away from his family !!!!
....they want to make our highways safe, they have the opportunity to do so! !!!
If we want to provide for our families we need to start acting like our fore fathers they would have never defeated the 4th largest military force on the face on this planet, if they didn't stand united as one and to be honest im glad we didn't have a bunch truck drivers in on this fight way back then
....what a sorry sight that would've been to our enemies
The english would save $ on ammo having only to kill half because the other half would bend over a log & flip their skirts up
...is that a good assumption?

 

Yeah, sure. Hourly pay without any sort of supervision whatsoever. What could possibly go wrong?

"Boss, yeah, uuhmmm, well, yeah, there's a lot of on-duty hours on the E-log, 'cause, well, it took a long time to get loaded, yeah, that's it, and there were twenty trucks in front of me to fuel, and yeah, I remember, I couldn't find a place to park so I had to wait for a spot for four hours. Yeah, boss, that's what happened. Really, that's why there's so many on duty hours. "

Sure, hourly pay will be just around the corner..... LOL!

 

How much should be this hourly pay be ? 12, 13, 15 dollars or more? What if a OTR driver makes .43cpm and he's in a 60mph truck, comes out to $25.80/hr pay. A local driver gets paid $17 for example. Who's making better wages here?

 

I get paid detention while logged off duty. The moment I go back behind my curtain and play Xbox or warm up food, its sleeper berth time. That's off duty no matter where I do it. It's my personal time. If I am in my sleeper berth for over 2 hours I get detention (per my company policy). if I am waiting to be loaded. have never once met a driver who logs extra time besides time of work he actually did. Maybe it's a dirty little secret but this is how everyone does it. DOT sees my logs and can scrutinize them. I've had my logs checked 4 times by DOT this last year. If you aren't working and want to be in sleeper berth, go ahead and log it sleeper berth. Go watch tv.

 

Either cite the law that says that or stop giving bogus information.

 

When did an easy 120k a year become no or little money?

 

Rule 395.2 (definitions) On duty is defined as [snip]
(8) Performing any other work in the capacity, employ, or service of, a motor carrier; and

(9) Performing any compensated work for a person who is not a motor carrier.


The argument can be made that if you are being compensated then it must be logged on duty. I don't agree with that argument, just that it can be made.

This whole discussion hinges on how you want to read/apply the regulations. I would argue that detention pay is pay for being denied the opportunity to work, same for layover, thus a driver can be in an off duty status and still claim it.

 

That's too bad, local gigs aren't bad. No logbook period.... No eld, no hos ECT. There are options that avoid allot of bs

 

I did the local thing for yrs,I hated it.I did OTR for 12 years I loved it.I quit otr to help care for my mom.But now after all the stuff and complaints I read you couldn't pay me enough to go back otr.

 

Read 9 again. It specifies NOT a motor carrier. As in non-trucking jobs. Of course that's a whole different issue in regards to hobbies, but not part of this discussion.
As for 8, If I'm in the driver lounge, or sleeper, or whatever and not working it would not apply. It's put in there for people actually working, like if they wash the truck, or even mow the lawn, or work in the office doing paperwork, or anything like that, it must still be logged.


Just for your edification, here is the guidance on it...
Question 10: How does compensation relate to on-duty time?

Guidance: The fact that a driver is paid for a period of time does not always establish that the driver was on-duty for the purposes of part 395 during that period of time. A driver may be relieved of duty under certain conditions and still be paid.