Logging Sleeper/off duty, can I get a violation?

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  1. Tb0n3

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    Well on my paper logs it's simple. I'm either driving, on duty, or in the sleeper.

    When the truck is home and I'm parked it's off duty.

    If I go back to look through my logs to see where I was or to check on per diem or whatever else it's very simple.
     
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    But, but, but if you take a shower, aren't you off duty?
     
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    He doesn't shower. LOL
     
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    Off duty for the ten is technically the only way to do it.
    If you log off duty when you are done for the day and then log sleeper when your ready for bed the act of pushing the buttons to log sleeper is technically “on duty time” as per the law so your 10 hr brake would have to start all over again.
    Same thing is true if you spend nine hours on sleeper and then change to off duty for an hour in the morning.
    When ever your working the buttons on an eld it’s “on duty time”
     
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    You're funny, but the guidance says not like that. It also says that answering a cellphone also isn't on duty. Screenshot_20210712-192357_Chrome.jpg
     
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    Can you quote the FMCSA regulation that says "pushing ELD buttons" requires the driver be "on duty"?
     
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    It's in the same chapter that discusses all truckers must have white sheets on their bed or be in gross violation.
     
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    So that's why they put me oos. It was the pink sheets.
     
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    Guidance says “ALL WORK FOR A MOTOR CARRIER “ technically speaking pushing an Eld button is work.
    People are paid every day to push a button in their line of work.
    Is a factory worker who pushes a button to start or stop a conveyor or any other job requiring button pushing not working?
    Federal motor carrier can’t have it both ways.
    At the end of the day logically off duty and sleeper are all off duty time.
    If Federal motor carrier fails to recognize this then we stick to the letter of the law they are so fond of.
     
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