Logging

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That was just a copy and paste of something scotty posted about supporting documents for company use and thats what came up in the section# he quoted,

 

I stopped paying any attention to him a while back. I posted that primarily to see if anybody here has ever seen a noon to noon log?

 

Easy enough sleeper is time spent in the sleeper berth, off duty is the rest of your life when your not on duty or driving, you can combine off duty and sleeper to get your 10 off.

 

Sounds like sound advice to me. Shut up and stop snitching on yourself.

I know you live on a really high horse, it took all of one youtube video to figure out what a hypocrite you are.

I realize you don’t do any wrong in your own eyes, but in the real world the current hos are not 100% kosher for everyone everytime.

Cry all you want go ahead let them tears run.....I, the same as many others will man up get done what you snowflakes can’t.









i’ll let you use your imagination as to what man up & get work done means!!!

 

AFAIK a noon to noon log is legal but we don't want to confuse the DOT do we lol.
And on the other point I am about to join you but having fun right now.
When you make money posting it's in your best interest to keep things moving even if it doesn't make sense.

disclaimer

I am not saying any body is a paid poster of this board

 

What conjecture? The regulations stipulate that when the solo or team driver is in the sleeper berth (big difference between "berth" and "birth" btw) they must log it true correct and current. Anything else is called Falsification.

Look, I do have some fun around here sometimes but I honestly and genuinely want to help drivers be aware and fully informed of the proper way to log their time. Mr. Moose runs around basically butthurt that the way he did it and got away with it was wrong and technically illegal for decades and has way too much ego now to back down and admit it. He would rather stick to his guns and advise new and uninformed drivers to log incorrectly which is going to hurt drivers and hurt their carriers.

 

THAT conjecture. I am done.

 

I have used a lot of words like implied and regulatory language. The way Federal Regulations are written they by design have gray area's in them. IF ALL the rules in the 300 series of title 49 were written with the FMCSA micromanaging every single aspect of how carriers and drivers conducted business these regulations would be the size of the world book encyclopedia. They would be hard to understand and to stay in regulatory compliance would cost MILLIONS more every year. A driver should log as they do it. You have a sleeper on that truck go on ahead use it and log sleeper. However PLEASE stop telling other drivers they are committing crimes when they get up and go out of the tractor for a brief trip to the johnny and not log a change of status. In my driving days I could get up walk into a truck stop or terminal use the john maybe grab a coke walk back in no more then 20 minutes provided I was not parked out in the north forty. The FMCSA don't fricking care! They ONLY care that you take that 10 hour break before going back on duty. Can you get into trouble for not changing your status? Maybe! However it is NOT the FMCSA that is doing it. It is a state officer that is trying to do whatever he can to trip you up. Trap you into talking about your logs and basically snitching on yourself. The main thing about grey areas is S T * U when asked about your logs. At one of my company's a number of years ago one of the safety assistants was retired Navy. On his office wall was the old Navy slogan (loose lips sink ships) I should change this to (loose lips get citations).

 

What I am about to comment on might seem to be off topic, humor me! Back in the day trucks went up and down the roads with 5 to 15 tags on their tractors. A driver had to be VERY careful about buying fuel and a lot of states required expensive road use permits. State DOT cops spent the majority of their time chasing after drivers who were driving through and their legals were not right. In Louisiana up until the mid 90s if you were doing driveaway and towing a small vehicle behind you the state forced you to buy a permit. If I done a repo there I had to buy a permit. Cross a coop or be stopped by an enforcement officer and asked for these documents, woe be to that driver that failed to get them. With the advent of IFTA and the single state registration as well as some states going into compacts drivers today are not subjected to this quite a bad. Over the past 30 to 40 years state enforcement has switched more to making sure IFTA and the single state registration is up to date and these cops have really started digging into drivers about their logs and their logs matching things like toll reciepts etc etc. 40 years ago a DOT cop would have laughed about a driver taking a short potty break. Today with the way these guys are trained they try to find a seam and start pulling on the thread. Drivers need to be careful around some of these state CVSA/MCSAP/DOT certified cops because they can be VERY dangerous in regard to your pocketbook. So shut your piehole! Give a cop your legals and go stand close by and be quiet. Get asked a log question refer the cop back to your log. IT IS ALL YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DO!

 

Sounds like you got the answer you were hoping not to get....A year and a half wasted arguing with me about this subject...... Sometimes you just have to trust that the younger generation does know what they are talking about.....