M2 MBE 900 carbon packing -- Is a new engine the only solution?

Discussion in 'Freightliner Forum' started by M2ambo, Dec 26, 2019.

  1. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

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    No/low compression = insufficient heat being generated for the diesel to ignite.
     
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  3. M2ambo

    M2ambo Bobtail Member

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    That's what I figured. However, the service report states that only 3 of the cylinders have low compression, so I'd think the others would at least try to fire, especially when the glow plugs were hot.

    What's a ball-park cost to pull the pistons and inspect the rings and the cylinder walls?

    THANK YOU to all who've weighed in on this topic -- the information that people have provided has been enormously helpful.
     
  4. M2ambo

    M2ambo Bobtail Member

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    Well guess what?!?!?! :biggrin_255:



    That clunking sound is the universal joint going around slowly -- the drive shaft is still disconnected after the vehicle was towed back to our parking lot from the dealer after a new engine install was rejected as too costly...
     
  5. Hulld

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    Again this is very strange...
    The truck ran fine before it was parked?
    If this is the case some how a truck not running burning zero gallons of fuel managed to produce enough carbon while truck wasn’t running to carbon pack the rings?
     
  6. M2ambo

    M2ambo Bobtail Member

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    That's one of the big mysteries that nobody can understand, and also one of the reasons why I started the thread to ask for input.

    However, as shown in the video linked above in #23 the vehicle now starts and runs. To get it running, we took the following steps:
    • Put the truck on a battery charger that was not computer controlled, so that the batteries would get a charge even if they were completely dead (which might have been the case).
    • Used a jump starter to make sure there were enough CCAs and voltage available to spin the starter with high enough RPMs.
    • Used a small amount of starting fluid.
    • Cranked the engine around 50 times over a span of 4 days. During those starting attempts, the engine kept sounding closer and closer to sounding like it was going to start.
    My personal theory is that there were two problems:
    • The batteries were low and were not spinning the starter with enough RPMs (I've learned that starter RPMs are very important when trying to start a diesel).
    • Something (condensation?) caused contamination in the fuel between the fuel filter and water separator and the pistons. Or, possibly the injectors got gummed up from sitting, and the repeated attempts to start the engine cleared out whatever was clogging them.
    In any case, I have gone back to the truck several times over the past few days since it first started running again, and on each occasion, the truck has started immediately just as it always has.
     
    Hulld Thanks this.
  7. rolls canardly

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    Good on you for getting back to us with causes/status.
    Way too many threads are left hanging w/no info.

    I know starting fluid and glow plugs don't mix.
    Manifold pre heater coils, also.

    I found if you give it a wiff first, and just hit the key - it's ok,
    but don't try it IF you have had coil, or plugs, powered up.
    I've seen pix of alum. manifolds exploded from this.
    (standard disclaimer; don't follow me, I'm inherently dangerous.)

    On a more serious note, is this shop hungry for work?
    Not saying it could be sabotage; could be AOK, but, just
    put a light in filler neck, and check the bottom of tank for water.

    I overheard a bunch of old coots laughing about this kind of stunt, and they were chuckling about how they resold the takeout,
    which was perfectly good - minus the H2O - for $8,000.00
    The Scranton area had some shifty characters
    working in truck repair in the late 80's.
    Thank God they are out of business now.
     
  8. M2ambo

    M2ambo Bobtail Member

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    Don't know about how hungry the shop is for work -- it's a large Freightliner dealer in Maryland that also does a lot of diesel engine work generally, so they ought to know what they're talking about.

    BTW Freightliner corporate never did respond to my request that someone contact me about the situation, so I'm unimpressed with their customer service.
     
  9. Hulld

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    Glad hear that!
    It just didn’t make any sense to me.
    If you look at one of my original posts I had said I wonder what a whisper of either would do?
    I would run the truck and see what you have as you run it.
    Certainly could have been some things a little stuck from sitting but I never believed carbon packing was the issue.
     
  10. M2ambo

    M2ambo Bobtail Member

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    Update... Freighliner contacted me today, but they said that after reviewing the situation that they were not in a position to offer assistance because of the age of the vehicle involved.
     
  11. Hulld

    Hulld Road Train Member

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    That was a given being it’s an 11 year old truck.
    Finally got a chance to listen to the video.
    In my opinion put the truck back to work and forget about trying to find somebody to fix something that is not broke.
     
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