Made to use PC to leave shippers/receivers to benefit the company

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  1. Bean Jr.

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    I hate to use this expression but IT'S CALLED F@$#ING TRIP PLANNING! I never seen so many things that are categorically wrong by a driver with your experience. You stop before you run out of hours. That's why ooida was so against ELDs because you can't go even 1 minutes. Using PC like that is no different than falsifying a paper log. You are logging something you are not doing.
     
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  3. Bean Jr.

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    Some fundamentally do not understand what PC is and isn't. Except for moving from a shipper or receiver and moving at the direction of a law enforcement officer, every PC move is treating the cmv as your personal vehicle if your personal vehicle were there. You're at the truck stop and you want to go to the store. If your POV was there, would you drive it instead of the truck? If yes, then it's PC, if no, it's not. You're at a shipper. Would you leave your truck at the shipper, then drive to a truck stop? That simply is not PC just because you're not dispatched! No wonder there are talks about limiting the applicability of PC, guys are using it like a second log book.
     
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  4. Ridgeline

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    Look everyone waited for the fmcsa to comment on or publish guidance for pc, while many like me said we don’t want that because it will become more confusing and more so open the door for more driver abuse - the op proved this.

    before the fmcsa saying anything, it was an open question.
     
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  5. tarmadilo

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    The ELD mandate didn’t change the regulations, it changed our ability to lie on our logbooks. The problem isn’t the electronic logbook, it’s unreasonable and unrealistic regulations. Obviously someone finally realized that, hence the new split sleeper rules.
     
  6. tarmadilo

    tarmadilo Road Train Member

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    Can I get an AMEN!!!!
     
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  7. Bud A.

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    The change to the 30 minute break before that was also a rare concession to reality.
     
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  8. FloridaRetired

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    Well, be it as it may. When people lied, as you said, I challenge someone to prove with statistics that the roads were less safe than they are now with ELDs.
     
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  9. Bean Jr.

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    When they were talking in 2000 about changes to the then HOS regs, I thought a half hour break wasn't a bad idea. I had driven from Sacramento to LA non stop. It struck me that driving 10 hours straight was not the best thing for one's body!
     
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  10. Bean Jr.

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    No, but 7:29 is rounded to the nearest 15 minutes, so that's down. if my clock runs out at 8 sharp, and we're exiting at 8, the guy with an eld is in violation, while I have 7:29 to find a place to park before it's considered falsification. That is the effective change the eld does to safety.
     
  11. tarmadilo

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    Again, trip planning and paying even the slightest attention to your clock means never (or hardly ever) putting yourself in that situation. I’ve been a truck driver doing OTR and regional for the last five years (and commercial coach bus driving for 20 years before that, with similar HOS rules), and I can count on one hand with fingers left over the number of times I’ve had to sweat that last 15 minutes on my clock.
     
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