New L/P operator with questions about minimizing costs

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  1. Moonshadow1918

    Moonshadow1918 Light Load Member

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    Why . If your going at a reasonable speed its not dangerous at all. Do you know
    Ok so basically your looking for somebody to argue with . You know better and more than anybody. And you follow the law to the T .
     
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  3. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    He isnt argueing, he is speaking basic fundamental driving safety. 4 seconds at highway speeds is not safe at all.
     
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  4. Farmerbob1

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    I am not looking for anyone to argue with. I'm stating facts. 4 seconds following distance at highway speeds is a Darwin Award waiting to happen, no matter how good the road conditions are.

    If a 4-second following distance was your habit, for any significant amount of time, then you are a lucky SOB that nobody ever laid into their brakes hard in front of you.
     
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  5. dtj12231989

    dtj12231989 Medium Load Member

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    I generally keep a minimum of seven seconds following distance and sometimes more under all circumstances unless I'm in a blinding rain or snow storm. For the rain, I slow down and if needs be, I put my hazards on. For the snow, I find the nearest place to park.
     
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  6. Moonshadow1918

    Moonshadow1918 Light Load Member

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    How long have you been driving . Practice the 4 second rule . There is atleast truck length and half. Your saying that isnt safe . Ive used that rule for 30yrs never been a problem cant remember anybody complaining either except on here. Nobody has ever tapped their brakes that im aware of. The law says 4 sec . Why is that a problem with you guys . Im not running 70mph im typically running 63.
     
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  7. dtj12231989

    dtj12231989 Medium Load Member

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    Here is how I look at it. The more following distance I have, the more my chances of getting around any hazards go way up. I have been driving since April of 2019 and I have seen time and time again that there is never a time when you can have too much following distance. Another thing is when someone comes up behind me and gets right up on my back end, I slow down to the point of forcing them to pass me. Especially if it is another truck driver. I know that are getting the draft of my trailer. I'm like go get someone else's draft. You ain't sucking down my fuel that I paid for. On occasion, when I'm in a funny mood, I think about making them hit my back side but I don't wanna ruin their career. They will ruin it on their own. I just do me and what is safe for me. They can handle their own. Unless they got their drivers license outta the morning cereal box.
     
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  8. Farmerbob1

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    I've been driving trucks for 4 years. I've been driving since I was 15, (34 years driving) and have never been at fault in any accident, though I've been at the receiving end of a couple careless drivers.

    However, the amount of time I've been driving is meaningless, because physics doesn't care.

    Physics says that if you are 4 seconds behind another vehicle, and they brake hard, you will either hit them, or go out of lane to avoid them. Period. End of discussion. You lose too much time to reaction speed and air brake activation to match their deceleration.

    Here is a site that explains things reasonably well for cars and light trucks.

    https://nacto.org/docs/usdg/vehicle_stopping_distance_and_time_upenn.pdf

    Commercial vehicle numbers will be different, but even cars and light trucks are estimated to have a stopping time from 60 MPH of 4.4 seconds. NOT including recognition and reaction times.

    It's pretty clear that you were taught bad information, and have never been in a situation that taught you differently in the school of hard knocks. That's understandable.

    However, here and now Mr. Physics and I are telling you that a 4 second following distance is death waiting to happen. Yours or someone else's. I can't make you listen, but if you really want me to, I can prove it with explicit math.
     
  9. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    A truck and a half length away highway speeds is ridiculously to close. Even in perfect conditions. That's just about a hundred and ten freaking feet. Can you come to a complete stop in 110 feet? If the answer is no, which it is, then it's to freaking close.
     
  10. Moonshadow1918

    Moonshadow1918 Light Load Member

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    Not doing a pre trip in the morning with freezing rain and temp at 10 deg outside is ridicuously unsafe as well. But im sure your the first 1 in the morning outside doing yours. Do you do a pretrip at 2am in a snowstorm checking your slack adjusters checking your air lines under the truck . I doubt you do. But you will jump at the opportunity to prove you do. All while preaching safety.
     
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