Nussbaum Transportation

Discussion in 'Discuss Your Favorite Trucking Company Here' started by STL-Dario, Mar 19, 2021.

  1. RoadCall

    RoadCall Road Train Member

    Mar 12, 2012
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  3. JohnBoy

    JohnBoy Road Train Member

    Apr 24, 2009
    Lake Worth, FL.
    You are absolutely correct in how these cameras work. In fact, my company “had” the same ones. Now, let’s fast forward from when I first started here 8.5 years ago to today. 8.5 years ago every truck had them in it. We were told the same thing, hard breaking only, hard turns, only go on in an accident. Then every so often, they would spot check us to see if we were wearing our seatbelt, if we were on the phone, eating a donut going down the road and assorted other reasons. I know first hand because I was spot checked one day without my seatbelt on, while on private property trying to back into a tight spot. When I got called into the office, shown the video clip with sound, you’d have thought I got caught banging the safety directors wife.

    Now here we are today. The company did studies, sat down and realized how many drivers they lost because of those cameras, how many drivers told them
    absolutely not because of those cameras and overall time and expense they caused the company. So where are we today? They replaced every camera with a forward facing dash cam only, my new truck and all the other new ones just put on the road, all have dash cams. My point to this? You go ahead and believe it’s about safety, at the end of the day, it’s about money. These cameras cost a ton of money in lost drivers, lost recruiting and empty trucks sitting. I for one am glad a bunch of drivers out there said no thank you to these companies when they heard about driver facing cameras. These companies are finally waking up.

    I’m not even going to get into the discussion about if my record warrants a nanny cam. 41 years of this, 4 million accident free miles, not one oops or incident. Do you think a driver with those numbers needs to be called in about not wearing a seatbelt on private property while backing into a dock at 2 mph? I’ll go to bat for a dash cam, but not one that infringes on my personal life, even if it is the companies truck.

    One last thing, my company isn’t the only one that went this route, I have two close friends at other companies with the same time at their respective companies that I have here, the same record as I have, that yanked the driver facing cameras for the same reasoning, cost/money.
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  4. CorsairFanboy

    CorsairFanboy Medium Load Member

    Feb 19, 2018
    Well said sir.
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  5. RDBG

    RDBG Medium Load Member

    Jun 23, 2016
    You're naive if you believe this.
  6. natedogg323

    natedogg323 Light Load Member

    May 4, 2007
    Detroit, Mi
    I absolutely lmao at people crying over inward facing cameras. We are going to be extinct one day. If worrying over a camera spying on you is your biggest worry get fitted for a tin foil hat now.
    OP: thanks for sharing your insight. Just applied and talked with a recruiter.
  7. any name you wish

    any name you wish Light Load Member

    May 13, 2021
    The intent of whipping slaves was to make them better workers, too. Slave-owners didn't whip their slaves unnecessarily just to get their kicks any more than they whipped their animals for fun. If they whipped a horse, it was to get it to run faster and to steer it, not because they enjoyed whipping it.

    The camera gives an inordinate amount of power to the trucking company and the government to make drivers look worse than they really are. The expectations of trucking companies for truckers to obey every letter of the law is so far from realistic as to be daunting. At least 98 percent of the so-called camera violations have a zero-chance of causing an actual accident, but all have the potential to get a driver fired as if unsafe, or at least made unable to drive again, and perfectly safe drivers are now being replaced with what are essentially "temporary" truck drivers that also run up violations and are fired within months, but never stay long enough to become experienced. Thus camera violations increase—as well as accident rates—with a less experienced and higher turnover trucking workforce.

    America has literally millions of laws now. In fact, if every law had to be obeyed before a truck even rolled, we probably would only have a very small fraction of the trucks actually able to deliver freight and the stores would all be completely empty all the time. People sitting in offices will never understand the Rubik's cube a driver has to do in order to get a load out perfectly legally. The kind of intelligence and expertise demanded of such drivers to do this is that of a genius, yet few geniuses will ever want to drive a truck, and few are available. Truckers average significantly lower IQ's than average, not higher. Thus, you're just asking for trouble when you make unrealistic demands on them in law compliance.

    So what has really changed causing such a driver shortage? Trucking and insurance companies are classically gaslighting this. They'll probably never admit it, and so the problem will never go away. It's the cameras. Both because people don't want to drive a truck that has one, whether the company feels it needs it or not, or because even good drivers are being fired because of them. In the end, companies engage in desperate hiring practices to replace perfectly good drivers and experience even more accidents. There are only a handful of laws that make good sense to drivers on the road as in preventing accidents, but there is a potential to violate thousands of them every day, and the punishments are draconian. Trucking is so unique of work because the situations truckers get into are endlessly different, so a demand is there for high intelligence—but the supply of highly intelligent drivers is low. Add to that the emotional problems of a poor social life; the health problems of little exercise, erratic work, and bad food; and the constant sleep interruptions, and even an intelligent person can't reliably obey the less important traffic laws.
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  8. smokey12

    smokey12 Road Train Member

    May 30, 2012
    ..just ain't right if you are "living in the truck". Yea it's their truck but your decision to accept that upon employment. Outward facing ..great idea. Haven't heard much about them but the little I have has been positive so good luck!
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  9. Zangief

    Zangief Medium Load Member

    Feb 19, 2011
    Jags Fan in Viking Country
    Hopefully, what started out as a great thread doesn't get totally derailed by the camera discussion. Personally, driving-facing cameras are a deal breaker for me, but it sounds like Nussbaum has a lot going for them otherwise. For those who don't mind the cameras, they could be a nice option. Thank you, STL-Dario, for the info!
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  10. NYSuperTrucker

    NYSuperTrucker Light Load Member

    Dec 22, 2010
    Twin Cities MN
    @STL-Dario How many flatbed trucks they have running these days?
  11. Chuck Humbuckers

    Chuck Humbuckers Bobtail Member

    Apr 3, 2020
    STL-Dario sounds like a recruiter. Nothing personal.
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