Passenger Rule Violation

My understanding is you must have at least 8 hours continuous sleeper berth during your break in a moving truck. If you log off duty before 8 continuous hours you need to start another 8 hour sleeper berth.

 

Just leave yourself in SB and sit where ever you want LOL

 

^^^^^ Kinda what i was thinking also.

 

works as long as you don't run through a scale or checkpoint......

 

When approaching a scale head to the back. Do i have to be the only one that thinks LOL

 

That to me just does not seem correct. I mean what about when the driver stops to get coffee or something the sleeper driver is expected to have the choice to stay inthe sleeper or falsify their logs by getting out?

I use the logic of 2 drivers coming off a 34 hour break say, the second seat should theoretically be able to spend as much time in the jump seat as they want til their driving shift. If this is true, then it seems to me a loophole in the system is to take a break longer than 10 hours say, 10hours 1 minutes on Elog or 10 hours 15 minutes on paper log to defeat this passenger rule.

 

Logic and HOS rules don't belong in the same paragraph. I remember a thread a while back noting DOT officers were at a truck stop writing up drivers who were walking in to take a piss without changing from sleeper berth to off duty.

During team driving I try to split the day into 12 hour shifts. This keeps a consistent sleep and waking schedule for each teammate and then you have 4 hours of off duty you can sandwich around 8 hours of sleeper berth any way you want.

Bottom line is you have to show 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth in a moving truck, with no more than 2 consecutive hours off duty.

 

Lepton, what happens when 2 drivers are coming off a 34 hour break? The second driver is fully rested and is still expected to hide out in the sleeper for 8 hours before he can drive?

 

That's right. Kind of sucks, but that's part of team driving.

Under the ABSURD 34 reset rules they had a couple of years ago, where you couldn't take more than one 34 hour reset in 168 hours and the absolutely silly requirement to have two periods between 1 and 5 am in a restart, it made it much more difficult for teams.

Since they eliminated that silliness it's now easy to get a "rolling restart". Let's say you are on a team with the day equally divided in 12 hour shifts. You end a shift, but then due to whatever reason you don't work on your next shift. Could be you were parked, waiting for an unload appointment. Boom! Next time you log in you have 36 hours in sleeper berth or off duty.

As the vampire on a team, running the night shift, make sure your body clock doesn't get out of wack on a 34. It can be hell for a few days getting back on the road until you are getting good sleep during the day and can be alert for a full shift at night.

 

The passenger rule seems ripe for log falsification. And again I cannot get my head wrapped around the concept that if the off duty/sleeper driver has more than 10 hours even by one minute, should be able to defeat the passenger rule.