Placarding your Hazmat load wrong

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by road_runner, Sep 13, 2013.

  1. road_runner

    road_runner Road Train Member

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    I picked up a trailer from a relay driver. It was placarded as Class 3 Flammable Liquids. I ran with it for about 100 miles when I decided to check on the tyres and make sure everything was still in working order. I pulled up the manifest to see where it was going so I would know if I should leave the trailer in my yard for the next relay driver or if it needed to be docked at my terminal for unloading.

    Manifest read: Class 2.2 Non-Flammable Gas, 35 lbs

    I am still new to hauling Hazmat, but it didnt look right. Quick Google search on a Hazmat chart stated that the manifested load only requires placarding after 1,001 lbs.

    Long story short, I removed the placards and displayed the blank placard.

    1. Was I right/wrong for doing so?

    2. If I left the placards intact and got flagged at an upcoming scale, how bad would it be if they called me in to verify my manifest?

    Yeah, I know. I got the hazmat endorsement and I am responsible for the safety of my fellow commuters/first responders if something bad were to happen. Ensuring my load was placarded right is part of my pretrip before I move the trailer on public roadways. I get it and I know I made a mistake by not checking my manifest and doing a proper pretrip. I just assumed it came from a more experienced driver and everything should be right since the trailer has moved about 300 miles already (and past two scales).

    Either way, the drivers around me at the truck stop were stunned when I started flipping my placards around.
     
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  3. haywire12

    haywire12 Light Load Member

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    I know you need to have your trailor placarded if your carrying more then 1001 lbs of any Hazmat. So if you had more then 29 total of 35 lbs cylinders you would have to flag as Hazmat since the gross is more then the 1001 lbs limit. But's the total gross weight that is the number.

    So if you see Qty 29 of Class 2.2 Non-Flammable Gas, 35 lbs, material gross weight of 1015 lbs then you would need to flag as the hazmat requires. BTW the best answer is to call your carrier hazmat division and verify before removing the hazmat placards or risk a MAJOR fine if your not placarded right.
     
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  4. road_runner

    road_runner Road Train Member

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    Thx for the response. I carried one cylinder of non flammable gas weighing 35 lbs.
     
  5. haywire12

    haywire12 Light Load Member

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    Yeah if you carrying less then 1000 lbs then your fine. I'd still run the route as a hazmat unit, but not placarded, even though I am not required to and when I park the unit treat is as a Hazmat unit, esp with cylinders of gases.
     
  6. pattyj

    pattyj Road Train Member

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    I would say you was wrong.With questionable loads you are suppose to call your company not take matters into your own hands.
     
  7. skateboardman

    skateboardman Road Train Member

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    driver , you did the correct thing. it sounds as if you had on a air conditioning unit. it wouldn't be considered a hazmat load, although it would still be noted on the bill of lading. quite often large a/c units will have the Freon listed like that or perhaps carbon dioxide will be.


    you should have called your company so they could prevent this in the future.

    and when relaying a load, you should check everything out before you move one inch, especially with a haz-mat load, that was your biggest mistake , and frankly a huge mistake. and if the scale had checked, you could have been raked over the coals .
     
  8. CondoCruiser

    CondoCruiser The Legend

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    Surely you are hauling more than 35 lbs. What else are you hauling?

    Yes you should contact dispatch or safety and discuss it before making hazmat decisions. Especially being new. You can have something you are not familiar with that is immersed in a solvent. Like floor adhesive. Doesn't look like a flammable liquid. But what it's mixed with it is a flammable solvent like acetone to keep the glue in a paste form... then you have hazmat if it's a RQ.

    Look good at the items on your trailer and look for warning stickers or UN numbers. Any questions at all talk with the shipper or dispatch. Don't be asking a forum. Hazmat is serious stuff and carries stiff penalties for messing up.

    You should always review your bills before leaving so you know what and how much. What if the driver gave you the wrong bills from his trip before? That mistake would look kind of stupid 100 miles down the road.
     
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  9. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    You should have called. You change and you're wrong guess who's going to hang if something goes wrong?
     
  10. Ridgeline

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    I would think that before accepting the load it is your job to read through the paper work, ensure that everything is in order and if it is not, inspect the load, call the company to tell them you are refusing the load until it is all fixed. This is done before pretrip or anything else.

    I wonder did you actually open the doors, looked at the load and see what it is?

    Don't you have an ERG and a hazmat materials book with you?

    If you do, always check the paperwork against those manuals, if not get them.
     
  11. KW Cajun

    KW Cajun Road Train Member

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    I don't understand why other "experienced" drivers are calling this a questionable load.
    The manifest should be properly descriptive enough for the driver to tell what the hazard class is, the packaging amount, and the total weight of that particular hazmat material.

    The driver is responsible for having the proper knowledge to read and understand hazard classes AND how to read a manifest.
    If you think your manifest understanding is lacking, then you need to get it up to par.
    Call your dispatch with any questionable hazmat load, but not every time it's something you should know.

    BTW, many times I've had loads with a single Class 2.2 35lb cylinder, but I've also had loads of over 50 of them. Know the difference in regards to reading the manifest, because it matters... greatly.
     
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