I know this question has been answered a hundred times over, but I am having such a hard time grasping the 8/2 split!!
So, I understand the basics.
Another user posted two examples, (see attached photos).
In example 1 they said after after 8 hours in the sleeper you get 6h drive and 9 on duty.
So, I guess my question is how do you get out the the 8/2 split after you have entered it. My understanding is you can take 2h off duty and 8h in sleeper. But, you must take a 2h off duty and 8h in the sleeper, but you don’t get you full 14h on duty and 11h drive.
Do you have todo another 10h after your 8h to get back your full clocks?
Sorry in advance if this question is hard to read, I am a new driver and going into this career with the mindset to be successful don’t want to get caught up.
Split sleeper birth!
Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by katiesantos301, Jun 6, 2024.
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If you start your day with a full clock(11 hr drive, 14 hours on 14 hour clock). Ignore any time for pre-trip, fueling, bathroom break, etc for simplicity. You drive 7 hours. Now you'll have 4 hours left on 11 hour clock, 7 hours on 14 hour clock.
You stop for at least two hours off-duty or sleeper(which stops your clock but that's something else, and is also useful). You drive another hour to your destination and shut down for the night IN SLEEPER.
It isn't important how much time it shows on your clocks, it's the amount of elapsed time between the end of your short break (minimum 2+ hours off-duty or sleeper) and the beginning of your sleeper break(10 hours minus the amount of time of your short break i.e. 2 hours off-duty/sleeper requires an 8-hour sleeper break. 2 1/2 requires 7 1/2 sleeper. 3 hours, 7 hours sleeper. But it must be minimum 7 hours sleeper. So 4 or 5 hours off-duty still requires 7 hours in the sleeper).
Since you drove one hour between breaks, you would subtract one hour from your 11 and 14-hour clocks and wake up with 10 hours on your 11 and 13 hours on your 14. If between your breaks you stopped for fuel, food, or bathroom break, all of that time would be subtracted from your 14 hour clock also.
Be aware that going off duty after your sleeper break starts your 14 hour clock again so you need to pay attention to that if it might be a problem.
There are so many nuances to it, it's difficult to describe in one post. Yesterday, I ran low on time on my 70 with 30 minutes left and stopped at 1800 until 2230. Started driving again, recapped hours at 2300, drove an hour to delivery, went into sleeper berth for 8 hours, and woke up with plenty of time on my clock.
It can be extremely useful once you learn how to use it well.gentleroger, Bud A. and katiesantos301 Thank this. -
An alternative way to use it without taking the short break first is to shut down and go into sleeper berth. After seven hours minimum you will wake up with whatever time was left on your clocks when you stopped. This is useful if taking a full 10 hour break will make you late for an appointment. After you're finished loading or unloading, you can finish your break by spending 2 hours off duty if you took a 8 hour sleeper break, 2 1/2 for 7 1/2 , 3 for 7, etc.
Edit: make sure there is somewhere closeby to park at shipper/receiver to complete split break if you know you're going to be low on time. If they take the amount of time to load/unload you that you need to complete split break at the dock that's even better.Last edited: Jun 6, 2024
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When you are splitting sleeper add your work periods before & after your sleeper #1. Those work periods (driving or on-duty) must not exceed 14. Your driving periods, before & after your first sleeper or rest period, must not add to more than 11 hours.
Using example 2, you go into 1st Sleeper period with 10:45 of your 14 available (15 min PTI + 2 hours driving). After 8 hours in sleeper you drive 5. That reduces you to 5:45/14 On-Dutyand 3/11 Driving remaining.
Go in sleeper for 8 (more than needed to complete Split Break). 8 Sleeper + 8 Sleeper, more than 10 hours gives you a new 14 On-Duty and a new 11 Driving.
That's how I see it. I avoided Split Break like a rattlesnake. It's easy for me to get confused and get what they call an Egregious HOS Violation, where messing up a rest period by 5 minutes gets you a violation of several hours of illegal driving, for example.katiesantos301 Thanks this. -
Drivers that don't Split Break often usually mess up by using up almost all of their 14 or 11 clocks before deciding to use split break. To benefit from Split Break you need to anticipate using it and stop several hours BEFORE you use up your 14 or 11. There is nothing to help you if you drive away all of your 11. Your only option is now 10 hour break. So, for example, drive 4, 5, or 6 hours, Sleeper for 7, then drive 6, 5, or 4 hours, Sleeper 3 hours.
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For the OP it is sometimes done for a driver to Split Break for a few days and then when schedule allows end your days of Split Break with a full continuous 10 hour break.
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#1 I am also going to keep the numbers, and scenario simple. So, I have a full 11 and 14 hour clock, wake up and drive 10 hours go off duty for 2h drive 30min and go to sleeper for 8h, I wake up and have 10:30 min drive and 13h 30min on duty, did I get this right?
#2 If I take my 2h off duty, and then take, lets say, a 13hin the sleeper, will that 13h in sleeper not reset all of my clock as if I did not do a split sleeper birth. Or, do I need to take a 10h after what ever hours between brakes are given back?
And, again thank you so much for the info.Last edited: Jun 7, 2024
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#1 Yes. You have it right. Just a small detail. You would have to take a 30 minute break sometime before 8 hours of driving so you wouldn't be able to start with 13:30 but you have the general idea.
#2 not really sure what you're saying but thirteen hours in sleeper is more than enough to complete a ten hour break and would give you all of your time back. The two hour break before is irrelevant.katiesantos301 Thanks this. -
Last edited: Jun 7, 2024
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