Hey gents, I am having some difficulties. Perhaps some of you can have a better idea than I can come up with.
Been wanting to write up a piece on manipulation in trucking, BUT I can’t seem to put my thoughts and ideas into written word. Years ago, I wrote the thread on the Darwin children, Dufus, Dingleberry and Stupid and how identify them and how a crash is imminent when they get into close proxy. The main point of that thread is that Stupid is the intelligent one of the 3 because he identifies the other two, however because he failed to act after gaining intel, he becomes involved in the wreck. The earlier we see danger, the better.
We hear of drivers getting suckered and burned, we hear of rookies and trainees ending up in horrible situations. But, can you recognize a pattern to spot the manipulation before the trap gets sprung? If so please post your experience.
The Manipulation Thread
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by TripleSix, Oct 16, 2022.
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Getting into trucking out of desperation. These folks more often than not fail. The attitude "If i can just get into my own truck, I'll be ok financially", most always leads to bad decisions, repeatedly.
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Heard an owner op at my company tell me about how much he hated a particular travel agent. Why? ‘She’s always forcing me to take loads that I don’t want!’
How do you FORCE an owner operator to take a load???
Soon, I became an owner op, and this lady became my travel agent. I met her other drivers. They all hated her. She would call them to get them to take a load and they would try to reason with her how they won’t make any money on that load. An argument ensues. “Six, I took the load to prove that I won’t make any money on the load.”
That doesn’t even make sense. Head hurts even thinking about it.
She calls me up because I rejected a load. “Why won’t you take this load?” The tarp pay is atrocious. “$150 is our going rate. I have drivers that will tarp that for $50!”
(Oh wow. Those tarps cost me $250 per tarp and the tarp time cuts into my drive time and work day…whatever shall I do? Why is she telling me about what other drivers do? Why is she trying to start an argument? Control. It’s my truck, my fuel, my tarps, my time…why would I ever ARGUE about any of these things? Control.)
“blah blah blah blah, Six if you were a real man, you would blah blah blah blah…”
(attacking the ego. No holds barred. She’s good!)
Be patient. Something better will come along.
“No there’s not any more loads! Nothing better is coming! Blah blah blahhhhh!!!!”
(the End of the World. The very last load in human history. If that’s the case, whether I take this load or don’t is irrelevant, isn’t it?)
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The most powerful word in any language is “No”.
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I think that a part of the equation is that many drivers "don't play well with others" to begin with. We tend to drift towards trucking because it limits the need to deal with people. A fair share of us have "poor social skills" to begin with, and driving isn't quite the team sport many jobs today are.
So, innately, many of us drivers aren't good at setting boundaries. No, I won't stay out for four months. No, I won't take just 36 hours at home after three weeks. No, I won't drive overnight if I haven't had any sleep. No, I won't load out of that shipper because they are inefficient.
Boundaries are the foundation of healthy relationships, be they professional or personal or family. People are going to push you until you say "no". Might as well say "no" while you're still happy.HoundDog7, JolliRoger, jason6541 and 19 others Thank this. -
Manipulation… In Trucking.
Never.
No.
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Vast and various reasons for all of it.... ok not really.
It all comes down to a simple human desire to better our own circumstances in the easiest and quickest way possible. OTR trucking can be difficult psychologically, physically, and emotionally. The reason many get into it though, is a perception of a fairly easy job making good money with benefits, and some adventure as a bonus. At least thats what a typical large to mega company recruiter is selling.
We all know that for the vast majority of those jobs, that's just not how it works out. Some will leave the industry, many look for a better job, but eventually they all get sold another pitch, if you just had your own truck, everything would be so much better. Come over here, sign at all the Xs, and you'll be on your way to big money and big freedom, it'll be easy, cross our hearts.
So you have drivers who think trucking is not for them, drivers who continue to fall for recruiting pitches, and drivers that fall for the "drive your own" sales pitch. This is just referring to those that fall for the pitch, not the drivers and o/o that have their heads straight.
The typical promises...
1. "It will be easy."
2. "You'll make lots of money."
3. "You'll be a big shot."
4. "You'll get to do whatever you want."
5. "It will be an adventure."
If a new driver goes to a company for training, and the trainer isn't required to be on duty the entire time a student driver is in training, big red flag. If the trainer doesn't have a minimum of 5 yrs and 500k mi experience, big red flag. If a trainer is more concerned with miles than teaching, big red flag.Gearjammin' Penguin, singlescrewshaker, jason6541 and 9 others Thank this. -
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You are wise old man!
And I am sure that you, like me, have seen employees who try to manipulate the boss, more than the boss manipulate them.OldeSkool, singlescrewshaker, JolliRoger and 9 others Thank this.
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