The NTSB actually does something worthwhile

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  1. Studebaker Hawk

    Studebaker Hawk Road Train Member

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    The NTSB has a YouTube channel which has, among other things reconstructions of various accidents of all modes of transport.
    Here is the channel: https://www.youtube.com/@NTSBgov

    If you wish to spend a little time, they have explanations of various serious truck accidents that get mentioned on this forum, but about 1-2 years after they happened. Takes time to do a though investigation you know.
    The video below is a sample.
    It was a milk tanker that plowed into a bunch of cars stopped in traffic in Phoenix in June of 2021, killing 4 and seriously injuring 11 others. The truck driver was uninjured. You decide for yourself who was at fault.
     
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    While I think the NTSB does some good, I'm always skeptical of digital "recreations", they can be fudged. Nothing says guilty like a dash cam.
     
  4. Bud A.

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    Fault is really easy to determine, even with this minimal evidence. Any word on the prison sentence for the truck driver?
     
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    Studebaker Hawk Road Train Member

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    The accident recreation above shows the actual dashcam video.
    These investigations take the data that was collected at the site and put it on paper, then drawings and animations.
    They don't even draw a conclusion about fault. That is not their job.
     
  6. Studebaker Hawk

    Studebaker Hawk Road Train Member

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    That is not their job.
    I think you would do a great job of rifling through court documents and getting the answer for us.
    We'll wait. ;)
     
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  7. Bud A.

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    They do not determine criminal or civil liability, but the NTSB does determine probable cause, which in this case was the truck driver's fatigue. Because they are a government agency, their recommendations were predictable: more regulations and mandating more nanny equipment for trucks.

    Driver Fatigue leads to Deadly Phoenix Milk Truck Crash, NTSB Finds

    NTSB: Driver fatigue behind deadly 2021 Phoenix tanker crash

    I didn't search much further for criminal penalties because the results included stories about the piece of #### in Colorado who had his 110 year sentence reduced to 11 years and that still pisses me off whenever I think about it.
     
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  8. Concorde

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    Thanks for posting, going to subscribe to their channel. Just a nice emotionless explanation of what happened.

    Think I’ve watched about every National Geographic aircraft investigation video.
     
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    Meh, look, I just don't trust anything that is fabricated digitally. The dash cam stopped at 2:00, so as not to see the actual crash, and digitally fabricated from then on. It's dirty laundry for news ratings. We are given an idea as to what happened, but to take these animated videos as gospel, I say isn't always exactly what happened.
     
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    Admiral Cloudberg on reddit does excellent aircraft crash analysis, too.
     
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    In my mind, there is no doubt where the blame should be put. Milk haulers fall under the HOS Agriculture Exemption. Under this Exemption, a milk hauler can run and run and run, even up to 900 miles or better before a 10 hr break is necessary . In my opinion, this driver fell asleep, but legally, according to the HOS, he was perfectly within the HOS.
     
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