To p.c. or not to p.c.

Discussion in 'Motor Carrier Questions - The Inside Scoop' started by thelinedriver, Sep 27, 2023.

  1. thelinedriver

    thelinedriver Light Load Member

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    Conversations with dispatch go like this.
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    See pictures of screen shots from our conversation. He basically tells me to p.c. to deliver load.
    Unreal.
     

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  3. thelinedriver

    thelinedriver Light Load Member

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    So I've had this conversation with dispatch on several occasions, he insist that it is legal to p.c. to the receiver to unload the trailer and p.c. back to truck stop,all in p.c. no on time duty because I don't have any, this particular receiver is known to take at 3 hrs.
    He then consistently tells me out of the 100+ drivers we have I'm the only one complaining about this. Would love to hear thoughts on this
     
  4. Thrasher28

    Thrasher28 Road Train Member

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    Why would you need to PC at all? Just do a simple split sleeper and deliver like normal. That's the entire reason the split sleeper provision exists.

    As far as PC, it's a grey area leaning towards a no go, but depends on context. If there's onsite parking you're using and you wanted to PC to the truck stop for a shower and dinner and then return, that's fine. Just swinging by the delivery for 2 minutes so you can PC away and PC back isn't the smartest idea
     
  5. thelinedriver

    thelinedriver Light Load Member

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    That p.c. to the reciever coming back from truck stop is considered advancing the load, your under the load and taking it directly to the reciever, on p.c. that is not allowed according fmcsa, it isn't a grey area, it's pretty easily explained no advancing the load. As far as split, yeah, you can do a split, but I don't like those because the following days after I'm always tired, and although it looks good on the eld I tend to stay up more than I actually sleep, but your right that is perfectly legal, what I usually do in this case is drive 500 one day and then 500 the next and get there 30 minutes before my schedule, but of course I'll run out of time while they unload me, and then I would have to p.c. from reciever to the truck stop, which is just a mile or 2 down the road, and at 0800 or so there's usually plenty of parking. I'm constantly being scheduled in such a way that it is not legally possible to deliver load, this one I barely make it, rolling in with maybe an hour left on clock and maybe an hour of sit time.Most of the ones I do though are just beyond my threshold, I have had drivers in this company tell me although we are governed at 68 they are able to do 740 miles a day on average. Well although that is mathematically possible in 11 hrs of driving, it is not usually the case, the most I done with one break stop of 30 minutes and just drove the whole time was 680, and I had 45 minutes left on clock so yeah, could went further but would of been on the side road. Average hall for us is usually over 1000 miles.
    I personally would not be able to do 700+ while governed at 68, but I think the company calculator is set for us to do just that, and that seems a little bit ridiculous to me.
     
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  6. Thrasher28

    Thrasher28 Road Train Member

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    Yeah, I'm not saying PC is the right choice here, but I get the dispatcher's thought process. One of the common company policies with PC is to return to where you originally were. It shouldn't be used to return to the receiver, but it's one of those things that's pretty easy to get away with... until the audit of course. Even then, might be fine. I wouldn't do it personally, but most drivers don't care. On the other hand, it's a prime example of why FMCSA's rules are a nuisance and lead to drivers being even more tired.

    I'm the type to sleep pretty much anytime of day, so I always just use splits for situations like that.

    I have no idea how anyone in your company is running 740 miles while governed at 68 unless they're going from on ramp to on ramp in the Dakotas lol. Most I did was 715 from Lexington, NE to Salt Lake City in a 68mph truck. Maybe they meant 740 in a 24 hour span? If so, that's more reasonable lol. I usually bank on 775-825 in 24 hours depending on the route, but no way anyone is averaging 740 in a driving shift running a 68mph truck. Even when I was in an 80mph truck, most days were 650-700. I've never been a fan of people driving like tools and blowing through work zones and lower speed zones. If someone's job encourages or requires driving reckless, they need to find a new job.
     
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  7. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    This sounds just like some of the things my manager comes up with.

    This is not even close to legal.
     
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  9. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    Get out of reefer. It seems that whole industry segment is based on nobody ever sleeping or only sleeping in chunks, which is not healthy. 8 one hour naps is nowhere near as restful as one 8 hour sleep. Ditto two 4 hours naps, etc. Some people make it a habit and contribute to their own decline by pumping coffee and energy drinks and other things. It's not healthy and you will pay for it eventually and being tired all day every day is not normal. No other industry tolerates pre-planned sleep disruption for a career, especially safety-sensitive ones.
     
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  10. Trkrjsus

    Trkrjsus Bobtail Member

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    If you arrive at the receiver, go on duty unload/post trip, then PC to nearest safe haven and back, it's not advancing the load. In this case, your dispatch is correct. I can't believe I said dispatch is correct...
     
  11. thelinedriver

    thelinedriver Light Load Member

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    It's not exactly what he is saying, what he is saying is show up to reciever, can't get unloaded cause I'm too early, so p.c. from reciever, then p.c. back to reciever, stay in p.c. cause I'll be put of time anyway, then get unloaded and p.c back to truck stop, essentially taking up half of my 20 hr break while unloading and p.c.s
     
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