Up or Down For Real?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Jumpman, Apr 21, 2023.

  1. Jumpman

    Jumpman Light Load Member

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    Everyday the news media tell us the pay for truck drivers is going up, the need for more drivers continues to grow. The population of America in 2018 was about 226 million. The population in 2022 was about 234 million plus how many thousands upon thousands of illegals so the need to move freight should be up. More people means more food needed, more gadgets being shipped, etc.

    Look at truck driver forums and you hear freight is down so what gives?

    How can the demand for more drivers continue to rise at the same time the current drivers are finding it hard to keep busy?.

    According to the IBISWorld there are approx 420 cdl schools in America churning out new cdl grads on a regular basis yet the industry never seems to have enough according to the news.

    Here are my questions:

    01. How big of an impact will lowering the age have on wages and demand for the current drivers
    02. How soon do you expect dock to dock trucking to be highly if not fully automated
    03. What impact do you see taking place in the next 10 years as far as electric vehicles for trucking
     
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  3. skallagrime

    skallagrime Road Train Member

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    Where in the world do you get 226/234 million?

    Us Population is 331 million
    Labor force population is about 164 million


    Your trend is correct but the numbers are way off
     
  4. Jumpman

    Jumpman Light Load Member

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    Typo, was supposed to be 326 and 334, from irs.gov
     
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  5. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I believe it's hard to come up with actual counts. We hear monthly Govt reports that say "There was 2.6 million new jobs added last month" . How the hell-o do they come up with this #? Or the one we hear all the time, the trucking industry can't fill all the openings. Supply and demand, I guess. But I do have a question.....at the grocery store, if the shelf is almost empty of a certain product, is it because the trucking co is short of drivers (to deliver the load) or is it because the manufacturer is behind in manufacturing the product ?
     
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    Chinatown Road Train Member

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  7. Blu_Ogre

    Blu_Ogre Road Train Member

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    01. Almost zero. The wages are rock bottom now for the demands of the job. Common perception is if you look at all hours worked many company OTR drivers are working below minimum wage.

    02. My opinion well over a decade if not 2. The tech needs a whole lot of development. My biggest concern is I live along one of the highways identified to teach the trucks how to drive by both Pacar and Daimler. Thankfully I have good non interstates to keep them away from me.

    03. Electric trucks may roll out in that time frame for the Port to DC, urban/metro delivery, and home every night business models. Essentially the stuff that is currently running or converting to propane. At this time electric are not practical for wide spread use in long haul. One thing that is being pushed is to use them for relay runs. I have seen photos of a potato chip producer (very light weight loads) running one now. One thing to keep in mind is that not all trucks are class 8 tractor trailer setups.
     
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  8. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    Wages are subjective.

    An average driver who is hitting his full 70 for 50 weeks is working 2500 hours.

    In order for the wage to be close to minimal, he will be making a gross of $38,500.

    Right now we need fewer drivers and definitely not those under 21.
     
  9. Frank Speak

    Frank Speak Road Train Member

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    I think you meant 3500 hours. And, to put that into perspective, the normal 40 hour a week labor year is 2080 hours. But, your point, unfortunately, escapes a lot of drivers' comprehension. I work with a guy that likes to brag about his check. Yes, he literally makes more than I do, but when you compare the hours worked for the pay received, I earn a higher hourly wage. That's because I refuse (no force dispatch where I work) to run loads that don't average out at least $30.00 an hour. It's not worth my time. I refer to it as the "Andrew Principle". I had my own business 12 years ago and had an employee that drove me nuts because he would not do certain jobs (he was a carpenter) because they didn't pay enough. He would say "I'd rather sit home that day and watch tv than to do that job for that pay". As much as it drove me nuts (because I needed the job done), I understood his position.
     
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  10. roundhouse

    roundhouse Road Train Member

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    Might wanna recheck your math .

    70 x 50 is 3500
    Or maybe it’s a fat fingered typo like I do all the time.

    the wages are up for some and down for some .

    but if you have skills that the average flip flop wearing driver doesn’t have ,
    You can earn more than they do .

    my roommate drives a brand new W-900-L (he even got to go to the KW dealer and select the color when the company ordered it ) for a small 6 to 10 trucks heavy haul company , made $97k last year on his W-2 and was home every weekend .

    You can’t compete with the megas or with the immigrant drivers doing normal 53 foot dry vans .
    You have to find a niche that they can’t do.
    The company he works for requires spotless credit , zero criminal record , clean driving record , does a thorough background investigation on the driver and the drivers family, and requires the driver to be native born citizen .

    those requirements eliminates about 90-95% of available drivers .
     
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  11. Ridgeline

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    Yep 3500, I mistyped it.
     
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