What are the responsibilities of trainers if any?

I teach people to fly planes, they avg 30-40hrs(some as little as 10-12hrs) before FLYING A PLANE SOLO(and that's one or two hours at a time maybe weeks apart, not 8-11 in any one day) but somehow people(not saying you) need 275hrs to drive a truck by theirself? That is insanity...I'd tell them to call the local flight school and see how few hours it takes to FLY A PLANE and explain to me why it could take longer to drive a truck...Good lord, not knocking you in any way, I'm just blown away someplace will make you suffer thru 275hrs of god knows what as it can't be training, there isn't that much to learn, it's a truck...

 

As a 2800+hr comm/inst/multi who's been flying 30+ years I understand the point you're trying to make here but I think it's gonna be lost on the OP.

The people we share the sky with are far far fewer in number and have far more intensity and quality of training per hour than the hundreds of thousands of idiots we share the road with and what passes for cdl training

Not everyone can be a pilot. #### near anyone with a pulse can get a cdl.

Very few earn a CFI. #### near anyone who hasn't hit something in 90 days can become a trainer.

That analogy is akin to comparing a pea with a watermelon.

The sheer number of trucks smacking into low bridges, hitting cars, rolled over and just in general doing the stupid #### we see them do every day would bear this out.

The OP is clearly at fault here. Solely responsible. But he didn't have much of a trainer either from the sound of it.

 

Great points! The number of hours just made my brain freeze thinking, if only I could lock a student in that long! LOL

Fly/drive safe!!!!

 

No, I get it now. You do not read or listen very well. After all the schooling, training, and testing you have received, the simplest of questions confuses you. No wonder this multiple lane thing confuses you.

It was past nap time, your diaper was moist and your trainer was being a poopy-head.

 

This is crazy! A newbie asks a simple question of "what responsibility does a trainer have?"...what does this turn into, a snatch and grab for any petty reason to jump on the new kid. REALLY? It wasn't that long ago that this site was ALL ABOUT helping out the new and uninformed, still is in most cases....but this one is actually insane.

Triplesix and several others have stated that the OP should have been reading all the signs....yeah(?) what signs are those....how many places on the CA Interstate system display any information regarding legal travel lanes for big rigs? I can think of two....the first on the I-15 just west of Barstow (that has since been altered) that read "trucks in right lane only", now the "only" has been removed. The second going through Sacramento on the I-5 that states "trucks allowed in right 3 lanes"...and this is both north and south bound from Pocket Road to the US 50 connector. There are no signs advising trucks to be in the right two lanes anywhere else..and why(?) because the California Vehicle Code would require the posting to be complete to get to the understanding of "the right two lanes". In fact, CA Vehicle Code, 22348 explicitly states that trucks must use the right lane, closest to the curb...to get to the authorization of any travel by a vehicle "with 3 or more axles" to be in any lane tothe left of the right lane, the CA vehicle code requires the reading of 3 and even 4 other codes to get through to the exceptions for use of any lane beyond the right curb. There are no exceptions for school buses, passenger buses, motor homes, 4 wheeler with trailer....."any vehicle with 3 or more axles" is the describer. The multiple codes also don't give any exception if the right lane or the lane to the left of the right lane are blocked by construction, in fact if this were the case, unless "duly marked and designated" for travel or for exit or continuance on a joining highway...no truck (vehicle with 3 or more axles) is authorized to be beyond the lane to the left of the right lane.

So where do you "jump on the new guy" professional drivers suggest these rookies learn the ropes to survive in this industry? We all know the schools don't care....their position is..."we get you your license, it is up to the training company to teach you the rest".. We know this stuff because we either grew up around it, learned about it from the truck stop coffee counter legal system, or from the hard knocks routine.

What responsibility does a trainer have? He/she has every bit of the responsibility to pass along all the knowledge and experience he/she can muster. He/she has the responsibility to both the student and the employing company to teach what is not known by the student assigned to that truck. If the trainer doesn't know it, he/she should have the personal-professional pride to find out if a question is asked that he/she doesn't know the CORRECT answer to. If that company doesn't insist that their trainers have an abundance of information to pass on...then that company should be removed from having students at the controls of their equipment.

It won;t do one bit of good for us to sit here typing away and biotching about what should be or what could be...we need to voice our opinions to our legislators, to our home state DOT and DMV....nothing changes without some squeaking wheel making lots of noise. But no good comes from finding fault at a newbie for asking a question...how else do you get to the right answer without first asking the question?

To the OP...you will receive a statement/letter in the mail (address of your DL) from the court of jourisdiction regarding the fine/bail amount within 6 weeks....usually 2-3 weeks, in this letter will be the fine/bail, your options on going to court and contesting or pleading guilty and paying the fine without trial and when and where to send the check. If you send a check, there will be an additional $65.00 (handling fee)...if you pay using online procedures, the fee is only $5.00.....you can thank our wonderful Governor Jerry Moonbeam Brown for that latest of court handling fees.....

 

I'm convinced your trainer is/was a douche bag.
How many of drivers on here would have not answered the question... "Hey, uh Hoss, what lane should I be in?"
It's a simple question that may or may not have (prolly not have) avoided a ticket.
I think OP would have preferred to have seen the signs, but he didn't know. Right or wrong, he didn't know.
A decent person would have just replied, "gotta get back in the right two lanes."
A decent trainer would have said "You gotta get back in the right two lanes. You have to pay attention to the signs, bud. If you get hung out here your going to get a ticket. Pay attention."

But I stay firm on my original statement that no one is responsible for one's education other than one's self.
The OP now knows what a douche bag he's dealing with and can act accordingly.

 

Speaking for myself.. when I train I do point out signs, lanes along with a number of other do's and don'ts. Yes, i think It's my responsibility to teach what I can. However I don't know it all. If I don't know I'll say so, look it up, figure it out or ask..

Some people really are unteachable..

Sound's like your trainer was on unfamiliar ground.. he/she didn't know the area, the safe zone for your ticket is to stay in the right hand lane if you don't know until you see a posted sign stating otherwise.