What's wrong with you guys??? Hams!

So you took all your CDL test at one time. Big deal - I did the same thing and didn't miss any questions. In addition I didn't go to a CDL school either.

I turned in my CDL when I retired.

I'm a licensed ham and have been since 1958.

I was also a licensed CB operator back in the middle 60's when a license was required.

I'm also a General Radiotelephone Operator License holder.

I was also a school crossing guard way back in the 7th and 8th grade.

I like many others on this forum try to answer many of the questions CBer have. And in some cases we help fellow hams.

As to you complaint. Like others said you paint with a broad brush. Some hams do look down on CBer. What you will find many of there are not in very good standing with hams either.

I like other could care less what equipment you run on the CB band.

Now that you got this off your chest I would hope we can work together to help fellow radio operators.

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Dude, did you miss the part where I said "Stay out of 10 meter and don't bleed over into it and I have no issues with you."? Seriously, I could give a rats ### what cbers do. Apparently you missed where I'm a "dumb trucker" as well.

Wow, you passed all your endorsement tests and got your CDL in one sitting...congrats to you. I did as well so you're not as special as you seem to think you are. The tests weren't that hard, my 15 year old took them online after reading the pamphlet, scored 90%. so what's that tell you.

 

buncha of mudslinging going on here....which one of you is going to run for president???

 

Yes sir exactly right

What many miss is the problem HAMS have is WHEN things go from CB on to a HAM band like 10 meters STAY ON CB STAY OUT OF TROUBLE ......

 

LS, As for me being a CBer been one since 1968 License #KMI-2952. I did pay for it. You say paying for a Ham License. Then you are not correct. I didn't pay anything for it. I got my Ham ticket for FREE! Just passed the test. I paid $3.00 my Chauffeurs License in 1968. Than $5.00 for a Class A License which replaced the C.L. in 1971. They were replaced by the CDL with TPX endosements in 1990 which cost me $20. But I paid nothing for a Ham License with the Laurel VEC. So if you could pass the test you could get one too! Now most VEC's charge about $15 for it. It's good for 10 years. Renewal FREE! Go for it then you will be able to talk to anywhere in the world from your truck. Then you wouldn't feel so bad about not being able to now.

http://larcmdorg.doore.net/vec/index.php?pg=Exams11

 

I don’t get it. This is a CB forum, yet there are a ton of “hams” on here busting the chops of drivers! We are spoken to as if we are inferior, ignorant, and utterly useless! BTW – At some point, your little HAM radio arrived at the store/shop/dealer via TRUCK!
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Not always. Sometimes we BUILT it from scratch.

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First off let me be clear about this, the frequencies that are “purchased” by the HAMS, does in fact give them exclusive rights. Not because they passed a test that I have no interest in taking, not because the FFC says it is theirs, simply because those bands were purchased with THEIR money, and I have not paid the same dues to operate on those frequencies. Therefore, operating on those frequencies would be stealing from those that paid for the use of them. Ok, now that I have made my point clear on that let me move on…

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We did not "BUY" the frequencies. Under the current regimen, volunteer examiners can charge enough to cover expenses such as training materials and stamps. They are not, nor is FCC 'making money" by selling anything to the hams. They do, however, charge a fee for what are known as "vanity" calls.

You are also correct that unlicensed persons have NO business operating on ANY frequency outside CB. The ones that concern the hams is (mostly) the 10 and 12 Meter bands.
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The “attacks” on truckers by the high & mighty strictly law abiding HAM, does absolutely nothing for your cause of “educating” nor does it make a “CB’er” want to obtain a HAM license/ticket or whatever you want to call it. In some cases it is doing exactly the opposite! Collectively I have spent days reading through the CB forum looking for information. In many of the posts I have seen truckers post that they [now] have every intention of jumping onto the 10m Band and raise hell for a second. Whether they do that or not is up to them…paying the massive fine or having my equipment confiscated is enough to keep me away.
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These are not "attacks". The hams don't CARE WHAT the CBers do ON CB. They can run enough power to pop their eyeballs out just so long as they stay OFF the amateur bands and don't show up on 10 Meters.....which IS the main cause of the strife between hams and CBers. We cannot, after all, deny, that there ARE CBers, mostly truckers, operating on 28.085 AM which, btw, seems to be the main "new trucker's channel" these days. It is THIS group, not regular CBer/truckers, that is causing the resentment from hams. Hams do not like finding these people on their bands, and many of them will, indeed, go out at times to locate the drivers who are talking out of band. Not because they are 'hunting' for CBers, but because there ARE people on THEIR bands that don't belong there! That is just a fact. Mostly, the hams DON'T, according to the popular myth, go out deliberately "fishing" for truckers, but it is usually when they are are running other errrands, traveling, or on their jobs that require driving. They simply turn on their mobile receiver and listen while cruising the interstate. Sooner or later, they will find a trucker on 28.085 AM and record their info.
They DESERVE it! They don't TALK to the trucker, they don't harass the trucker; they simply document the incident and turn them over to FCC for a warning letter. This usually does the trick and causes the trucking company to have all illegal radios removed under threat of firing if they get caught again. It is NOT worth the risk of getting caught again, and they usually comply. For those who feel they are so "big and bad" that they can "jump on 10 Meters" and "show" the hams a thing or two, go right ahead. Nobody is insulting you, nobody is stopping you. You can drive 120 MPH if you wanna. When you get caught and jailed for it, don't cry about how unfair it is. When they get caught for talking on "them extra channels" they have no right to whine about the $16,000 fine! Who's "insulting" drivers THEN just because they got caught? No! The hams simply rejoice that the perps got what they deserved! That's all!

We come here to advise people that their illegal "export" radio with the "extra channels" is against the law. No doubt, some of us will see it and say, "Wow! I didn't know!" And, they will then will join those who DO know not to come up on 10 or 12 Meters.

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Where do some of you guys get off talking down to us (drivers) like we are nothing more than ignorant outlaws running the interstates mindless and equally worthless? Really? You act as if you are actually employed by the FCC to patrol and police ALL frequencies! I’ve read through the rules and regs and have yet to find anything that states it is the duty of a HAM to find and report violators! Yet some of you guys, feel obligated to “hunt down” those running with illegal radios/exports and report them!
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It is not an obligation, but a long-standing amateur radio tradition to be what is called "self-policing". We have every right to question those who break the rules that govern OUR frequencies, but not those of CB. That is not our place. WE DO take exception to incursions into the ham bands and WILL act to stop it whether those same ' radio outlaws (and that is what they are) like it or not! It is what keeps the amateur bands from becoming a squalid, howling mess..........well, just like CB! We did not create the howling, squealing melee that exists on 11 Meters: the USERS did! And we DON'T CARE so long as you stay OUT of OUR allocations.
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............do you simply have nothing better to do with your lives then to find, harass, and cause problems for drivers running on anything more then 4 watts?
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Show me WHERE I made more than minor comment about the amount of power CBers use, what they do ON 27 MHZ. Show me where I criticized drivers about their amps. Such comment has been truly RARE. My beef is with those who think it is OK to take their junk "export" radio up on to 28 MHZ where *I* am NOT bothering THEM at all, and splatter all over me! OR to turn pots in their old "10 meter" radios so that they are "fuzzing" into 10M all the way up to 29 MHZ? "LOUD 'N PROUD", is THAT it? HOW DARE anybody say anything about THAT!!!!!
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Two cents? That is NOT true. I do NOT chime in on every thread, make comments "on no matter the subject". That is your own exaggeration to support your weak position. You are simply getting all defensive and circling your wagons automatically at a perceived threat or insult that isn't there.

Show me where I called people names other than mild ribbing while posting factual information that IS accurate regarding the rules and the fact that we are finding truckers up in 10 Meters. That IS a fact, you know. It IS the source of angst between hams and CBers! Wanna STOP said strife between CB and ham. Tell Everybody you talk to, everybody that has one of those illegal, so-called 'amateur' radios with the 'extra channels, the 'band' switch, to stay OUT of 10 Meters and that there are NO such thing as 'extra" channels! You and all other CBers, truckers, and techs, would be doing all radio a service.
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So you have a “license”. I’d call it more of a receipt then anything…you paid for those frequencies… “Here’s your receipt…uuummm…we mean license. And for an added bonus for paying a “tax” on something that should be free to begin with, we’re going to give you a special name, a call sign. Here you go, now you can tell everyone how very special you really are…”
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No, it is NOT a "receipt" for "paying for those frequencies". There IS no "charge" for the license itself. The fees are charged by volunteer examiners for expenses incurred in administering the tests. These licenses are EARNED by 1) learning the material that applies to the privileges granted, and 2) by showing proficiency in the rules and certain electronic abilities to prove that one knows what he is doing and how not to be hurt by his hobby...among other things. Some of the electronics can be pretty intimidating for the first-timer who never previously cracked an electronics theory book.
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...................... definition anyone that intentionally and/or continuously breaks the law. Many of you like to call us “outlaws”, which is actually quite funny, and depending on whom the intended insult is coming from, can be somewhat flattering. At least the label separates our kind from yours. That’s all I’m going to say about that…
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So. do you somehow feel that the term "Outlaw" is somehow a badge of honor? HOW can someone NOT know that those "band" switches are there as an "attractice nuisance", those radios mostly used these days, are there to PERMIT the theft of frequencies? Do you REALLY not KNOW that most everybody is aware that there are 40 channels allowed for CB? REALLY? Do you really believe that those who flip "them channels" do not already KNOW that what they are doing is WRONG? Do you then equate being a "CB OUTLAW", therefore, with some sort of radio Jesse James, riding into the sunset in his truck? Are people who are "loudly and proudly" a-talkin' on their "big" radio on frequencies that don't belong to them worthy of respect from those they are, in effect, STEALING from? REALLY? That's what you are demanding! And truckers quickly circle the wagons to protect from ANY cricitism from anybody who happens not to LIKE what they do! "Why, we bring EVERYTHING you have in our trucks!!!! How DARE anybody say ANYTHING----anything at all---against anything we do, no matter how illegal, no matter how adversely it affects others!!!!!! That's what you are saying.

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I also get a kick out of how you guys (mostly the HAMS) like to poke fun at the way some of us (truckers) may or may not talk. Ex. “That thar reedio gots lots of extreee channels” . So, which is it, do you think that we are all just really freak’n backwood hillbillys or are we just so retarded and uneducated that we (drivers as a whole) just never got a good grasp on the English language? You really have no idea how narrow minded this makes you sound when you try belittling truckers by the way they talk. Again, just another example of HAMS thinking they are better than a trucker!
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I'm not going to defend this one. All you gotta do is.........LISTEN. The CB slang seems to be part of the culture. I'm not saying anything about it that. The listener can make up his own mind.
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Now on to the “big radios” or radios with “lotsa pawha” as some of you guys so ignorantly say. I run several ILLIGAL radios, depending on which truck I’m in, where I’m going, how long I’m going to be out, etc. I LOVE my Connex 3300, Connex 4600 Turbo, and Magnum S9, all of which are “exports” and according to the FCC standards, highly illegal. Obviously any of the 3 will do well over 100w. So what…the wattage I run is illegal (I’m an outlaw remember) I NEVER EVER “stray” into the 10m band or any other frequency that I have no right being on… I ALWAYS run on the high end of the 11m band. I have neither intention nor interest in getting into anything other than the designated 11m Citizens Band. After all, that is the only band of which I have a right to be a part of right? So why, why do you guys [hams] care what kind of power I’m running on the 11m band? If my equipment isn’t splattering across 39 channels, interfering with your stations, the neighbors TV, or Billy Bobs toaster just off I-78, then why do you guys, or anyone else for that matter care WT% I do???
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"WE" don't--whoever "we" is! Again, you will find LITTLE comment about power except from simply advisement to questions asked about power from ME. I don't even respond to questions about amplifiers on the forum. Postive or negative. I don't even get involved in discussions on amplifiers.
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You feel the need to play the role of “highway hall monitor” and report those with exports…WHY??? Does it make you feel like a bigger man to go rat out someone that has nothing to do with you or your life?
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Hams don't "play highway hall monitor" when it comes to CB. Ain't none of my business--------until you come up into the ham bands. Then it IS my business because you are now trespassing figuratively in MY house, and we will MAKE it our business. It is NO different than you reporting a burglar. What? You gonna now tell me that you won't report a thief in your house or take steps to STOP him? You WON'T call the cops? You WON't grab your weapon and stop him? THAT, sir, is what the hams are doing to STOP ------yes! they ARE "outlaws"----people from trespassing in OUR frequencies. It is the ONLY legal method we have!
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….just because you have a sheet of paper that you paid the government to give you, doesn’t mean that you are any better, more intelligent, or any more competent then the rest of us! It’s a test, guys! You passed it, got a receipt to prove it! BIG DEAL! I have a concealed weapon carry permit in VA, WV, TN, KY, GA, AL, TX, NC, and SC, but that doesn’t mean I am smarter than the “dumb redneck” that just likes to shoot pistols in his backyard! I have a CDL with the tanker, doubles & triples, and hazmat endorsements. When I got my CDL’s I took ALL of the tests at the same time. (General Knowledge, Air brakes, Combinations, Tankers, Doubles/Triples, and Hazmat) I spent the better part of 5 hours in the DMV taking those test and at the end of the day I had done 3 things that the manager claimed to have never seen in her 23 years of service -- 1) Take ALL of the test the same day, back to back. 2.) Pass ALL of test on the first try 3.) Missed only ONE SINGLE question out of all of the tests combined!!!! I know that may sound hard to believe for those that have taken these tests but on the honor of my 3 precious children, that is the God’s honest truth. (it helps to have a photographic memory when it comes to words and numbers) MY POINT???? PASSING THOSE TESTS, WITHOUT MISTAKE, ON MY FIRST SHOT, DOES NOT MAKE ME A BETTER DRIVER THEN THE GUY THAT HAD TO TAKE EACH TEST TWICE!!! Same with you guys…just because you took a test that qualifies you to operate on thousands of frequencies that others cannot, DOES NOT make you any better than those that do not have that same privilege! It doesn’t mean that those without a license can’t get one, or they are to ignorant to do get one, or that the ability required to operate a “true ham radio” is non-existent in those without it… It simply means they either have no interest in HAM or have not bothered taking the time to take the test. Much like you have not bother to take the time to test for a CDL permit (different then an actual license) It’s not that you couldn’t pass the test(s), it’s simply that you don’t care to!!!
In short, lay off the insults, the belittling of drivers, the talk-downs to CB’ers… You accomplish nothing more than making yourself less attractive as a decent person!
So go ahead, let the endless, insulting, self-righteous post begin! I’m sure the better part of my post here, as well as post before now, will be picked apart and over-analyzed, to find the slightest contradiction that might discredit MY God given right to MY OWN opinion!
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That is, of course, YOUR own opinion; no one said you didn't have a right to it. Again, it is NOT a matter of PAYING for a license. The entry amateur test IS pretty easy, too. It is when you start messing with formulas for the "Q" of a circuit, the value of a burnt resistor in a circuit that you "earn" the privileges granted. Just like a driver "earns" his privileges to drive a tanker, for example. Again, it is not a matter of "policing" CBers: hams have no legal bounds to do that---tho I am sure that some will come onto 11 Meters to scold and cause trouble. What the hams may do is take action against those radio outlaws---and that is what they are---who show up on 10 Meters. I don't "police" anything, but when I am being interferred with somebody with a splattering linear amp, a snipped, clipped and butchered radio, then I will report the fact.

This whole thing boils down to one thing: people showing up ON 10 Meters without license, and therefore, any right or reason to be ON there.

I never made it this regular habit of sneering at CBers. I DID sneer at the ones who ARE illegally filching 28 MHZ.
SOME even think they have some God-given "right" to "them channels" simply because they bought what they call a "big" radio. And it just isn't so. What they HAVE a "right" to is a 40 channel, FCC-certified, CB radio, UN-modified, period. So long as they STAY OUT of 10 Meters, the hams, including me, don't care if you pop your eyes out with your "big" radio. I am not the villain here.

Anyone with reasonable intelligence can pass the ham test if he wants to. Anyone can pass the CDL tests, Prior to CDLS, I, too, was a truck driver (SURPRISE) from 1971-1978, for a private "not for hire" contractor. We manufactured our own heavy equipment and transported it in our own trucks to be installed in plants all around the Southeast. I also passed my Private Pilot certificate and flew multi-engine planes. So what? I was required to follow the FAA rules as well. As a driver, I had to comply with DOT regs, too. As a ham, I am expected to follow those rules as well! WE, as hams, expect CBers to, at least, stay OFF our bands, if not to follow their own rules, too. What is wrong with that?







GF

 

Your sitting on the fence again let us know what you really think ...

 

There are a couple Hams here that only come here to give their two cents or to try to iritate CBers. Gadfly is one of the biggest pains. He uses these backwoods dimwit remarks or slang terms to do it. In away it is a personal attack to most of us. The mods don't do anything about it and just keep letting it happen. Which pisses me off to no end. On some forums, these personal attacks would cause for a time out from the forum.

There are other hams here such as WA4GCH that are pretty decent to chat with. They will nto really get into the legalities unless someone is talking about getting on restricted channels. They could careless if we are running higher powered setups as long as we are not getting in their way.

But the remarks made by hams such as gadfly and the others make me want to find them on ten meters and just screw with their day. I would love to be in his area and find him on ten meter and key up and screw with him for a min or two then go silent for awhile then do it again from a different location. He thinks it is so easy to find a moving target that knows what they are doing. LOL. I could have them on a wild goose chase for hours. But it will never happen because they are no were close enough to be heared anyway.

 

Thanks Rat .....

I know most CBers don't really know rules and there is no requirement that they do ........ Not knowing them could be costly and the internet abounds with miss information ........

Simply put The FCC is much less likely to get on your case unless your outside of CB and/or running very high power.

10 meters is a hot spot for FCC enforcement 28.085 is well known Truckers are being caught all the time staying BELOW 28 mhz greatly limits your chances of getting caught ....... 28.000 to 29.700 mhz is a HAM band world wide even under ITU rules is is HAM only .

My licenses do not give me any rights on 25 - 27.999 Mhz ( land moble ) and what goes on there is not my problem CB is a FCC aproved band on that range and they call the shots .....

Again I'm not a law enforcement officer EVEN though I work for a SHERIFF OFFICE it is not my job it is the FCC's job to enforce radio rules.

Stay on CB stay OUT of trouble .......