Can you cheat an eLog?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Meltom, Jun 15, 2011.

  1. pattyj

    pattyj Road Train Member

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    You don't wait till your 14 hrs is up before you decide you're out of hours.Also if you only have like 2 hrs left and now you need to get reloaded I would likely wait till the next day to go to the shipper.
     
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  3. UsualSuspect

    UsualSuspect Road Train Member

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    How does he defeat the GPS input which will show the true speed and location?
     
  4. Jeck

    Jeck Light Load Member

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    So if I have 2 hours left. I tell the shipper only 2 hours left. And if they feel they can't load me in that time they can tell me to come back tomorrow? Who pays for my wasted day? That's why I would not want to tell them. Just wait, get loaded and then tell them. Many places act like we need them which is true but they need us as well.
     
  5. pattyj

    pattyj Road Train Member

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    You don't tell the shipper you tell your dispatcher.Its your responsibility to keep track of your hours.So you call shipper and ask if they have overnight parking if not then call dispatch .
     
  6. Dave_in_AZ

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    That's what I think too. Literally an entire phantom log. Unplug the real one, plug in the fake one.
    No doubt in my mind. Younger geeks love a challenge. Probably some already out there.
    Now for a mega company driver your probably stuck.

    I had my first level 3 yesterday, since using e log, and the officer spent about 30 seconds with it, and said good to go, so that is pretty nice.
     
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  7. nax

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    I don't know how qualcom works ....yet (since I haven't layed my hands on one)

    But I have done some GPS spoofing (pretty easy)...so appearing somewhere when convenient is easily achievable.
     
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  8. scottied67

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    Level 1 in California couple days ago. He did look at my ELD for same thing, 30 seconds.

     
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  9. Dave_in_AZ

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    Oh and let me add, your gonna need the fake one up and running, just like the paper log on top of the others, cause he came out and was standing on the scale, no time for any monkey business.
     
  10. Chasingthesky

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    Build a smarter mousetrap, you'll get smarter mice
     
  11. UsualSuspect

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    QC's have 3 parameters it collects from, GPS, ECM, and Cellular. Trying to defeat all 3 and have all of them show the same parameter at exactly the same time, good luck, and QC also uses GPS shifting, it will know something is not right and probably start sending out errors.
    The other piece is, how does he account for the engine RPM's and transmission parameters? If you do some searching you will find engine manufacturers pay to have the engine data sent to them in realtime. They use it to see if a failure can be predicted, predict service, and remote diagnostics. It would be interesting when they see 65 being passed, yet the RPM tells a different story. I wonder if the warranty would still be honored?
    QC's and other ELD's and hybrids do more than just read speed, the location shifting is done so no one can pinpoint where you are, and will shift a random location when you are home to protect your privacy should someone hack it. The ELD manufacturers know this, problem is, are they shifting 9 miles southwest today, or 11 miles northeast? They know, and it would not surprise me if they use certain waypoints to check the system.
    I am sure they can be defeated, but it takes a lot more than a speed adjustment, and will most likely require a second computer to do it.
     
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