Broke down after 2.5 hrs on, logged off duty, Co wants me to run.

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Mototom, Apr 29, 2021.

  1. Brandt

    Brandt Road Train Member

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    Split sleeper is tricky on paper log trying to keep track of the hours correct. I would not try it myself. First you have actually have a sleeper on truck. I believe you have to do a 8/2 or 7/3 split. That's 8 hours or 7 hours in sleeper then you can can take 2 or 3 hours in sleeper or off duty. The real tricky part is I believe you can never go past 11 or 14 hour limit. You can extend the 11 and 14 hour clock.

    So if you start driving at 0430 drive 3 hours it would be 0730. 11-3=8 and then took 8 hours in sleeper you can drive 8 more hours. I think, 0730+8 hours in sleeper would be 1530. You could now drive till 1530+8 hours would be 2330. You are extending the 14 hour clock to 2330. You are now at 11 hours driving limit. So you would have take 2 more hours Off Duty or in sleep. Till 0130.

    Then you would have go back an recalculate 14 hour and 11 hour clock from 1530 I think. It get to complicated if you ask me. I might be completely wrong.
     
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  3. Mototom

    Mototom Road Train Member

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    Also just do everyone knows. When a driver calls in talking about how high his oil temp is, maybe just maybe you shouldn’t tell him to just drive the truck and you’ll have someone look at it sometime later this week.
     
  4. God prefers Diesels

    God prefers Diesels Road Train Member

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    How high, and what engine?
     
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  5. skallagrime

    skallagrime Road Train Member

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    The 8/2 split also stops the clock now
     
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  6. Frank Speak

    Frank Speak Road Train Member

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    Get it in writing and drive that mofo til it blows up.
     
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  7. skallagrime

    skallagrime Road Train Member

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    The following

    14 hr day 11 driving, you presumably fully understand this bit

    14-3 = 11hrs duty time available
    11-2 = 9hrs drive time available (im assuming here)

    Off duty 3 hrs, *pauses your 14*
    Go drive 9 hrs, 1 hr on duty in there
    So now:
    11-10 = 1 hr on duty time
    9-9 = 0 hrs available to drive

    7 hrs sleeper *pauses clock and adds first periods drive and on duty back plus your leftovers

    So now
    14-10 = 4 hrs available duty time
    11-9 = 2 hrs drive time available
    Then you must take a 10 hr off duty -sleeper time = 10-7=3

    Its mathematically sound and allows for more flexibility, but i frequently liked and used the 8/2 sleeper even as a rookie, so im very comfortable with it. The pause of the clock is the game changer from the rule change, not the 7/3 allowance
     
  8. Accidental Trucker

    Accidental Trucker Road Train Member

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    INCORRECT.

    A Split Sleeper break is any break of AT LEAST 2 hours combined with a break of AT LEAST 7 hours in the sleeper berth , that combined add up to AT LEAST 10 hours. It does NOT matter if you take the non-sleeper (either off duty or SB) first, or the SB first.

    Second, it does not have to be a 2/8 or 3/7. As long as there's minimum of 10 hours total and a minimum of 7 hrs in the sleeper in one stretch, it's a qualifying break. So 7 hours off duty plus 7 hrs in the sleeper is fine. 9 hours off duty plus 7 hours in the sleeper is fine. 4 hrs off duty and 9 hours of sleeper is fine. Both breaks stop your 14, but if you take your non-SB break first, you can be "temporarily" in violation of your 14 until you take your SB break.

    The easiest way I have found to deal with the split sleeper is to think of it as running recap: the second qualifying break gives you back the hours you worked before your first qualifying break. Kinda like the hours you get back at midnight when running on recap.
     
  9. Frank Speak

    Frank Speak Road Train Member

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    Except on Tuesdays where you take the inverse plane of an acute angle and insert the variable into the quadratic equation and then apply the appropriate measurement of a hamster that smells of elderberries into a fraction factored to 1/100th. Then apply the difference into a differential equation and work the problem to the tenth decimal.

    By then your ten hour will reset your clock and you can drive again.
     
  10. Lucky12

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    It can be a little confusing if you've never used it but several people now have given the simplest definition your gonna find of how to use it. Key point is the long part of it your claiming (the 7 or 8) must all be in the sleeper not off duty. The short part can be either one. If you happened to log it incorrectly, most ELD will allow you to do an edit of anything but the drive line.
     
  11. Eldiablo

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    Sounds like the manager knows more than they’re getting credit for..
     
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