Buffalo Tractor Trailer Institute Instructer lost his cool today

Discussion in 'Trucking Schools and CDL Training Forum' started by Doylee4693, Sep 16, 2021.

  1. BeHereNow97

    BeHereNow97 Medium Load Member

    Sep 15, 2020
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  3. buddyd157

    buddyd157 Road Train Member

    May 25, 2017
    under a shade tree
    i am not able to hear anything. my sound card crapped out, and i have no plans on getting another one.

    so all i had to do was go on the video.
  4. Judge

    Judge Road Train Member

    Mar 19, 2014
    Newport, Ar
    You should really get that fixed,
    Did you just hear that?
    Oh wait, never mind...:p
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  5. buddyd157

    buddyd157 Road Train Member

    May 25, 2017
    under a shade tree

    it's best that i don't. this way, late at night, when i am watching "adult movies", the wife can't be awakened by the "sounds of passion"
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  6. Doylee4693

    Doylee4693 Bobtail Member

    Aug 23, 2021
    Read what I said 3 more times.. the new students are taking up to 30 mins because the cones are set at 10 foot giving me 4 manuvers in a 8 hour period.. understand yet, or do you endorse that sort of bs? Consider NEVER being a teacher please! Sounds like the rest of the folks here agree that the set up the dmv gives is proper, which is what I would also like to have.. appreciate most of you guys for not trying as hard as you can to be condescending and thanks to the few instructers who chimed in and shared their thoughts!
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2021
  7. Doylee4693

    Doylee4693 Bobtail Member

    Aug 23, 2021

    “He knows better how to train, what test is appropriate, how to handle training process.”
    The fact that you got all this hateful bs out of a person wanting 10 foot cones proves to me that youre a miserable human. How about you jump off this thread!
  8. Snailexpress

    Snailexpress Road Train Member

    Apr 28, 2014
    Go cry to your mommy, son. If 4 maneuvers isn't enough for you to learn go work in McDonald. They are hiring.
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  9. LoSt_AgAiN

    LoSt_AgAiN Medium Load Member

    Sep 7, 2018
  10. Goldenfan

    Goldenfan Heavy Load Member

    Apr 8, 2013
    What's the cost of the school if you'd post it?
  11. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

    Jun 1, 2010
    That is traditionally what CDL school has been. It's not what it should be.

    A CDL school graduate should be able to back into a standard truck stop sized space with no assistance. They should understand the concept of GOAL. Neither of which happen when you're working with 12 foot wide spots. For a couple of years my company refused to hire any graduates of a particular CDL school because over 70% couldn't pass our initial phase of training.

    Company training should be:
    • explaining company policies
    • guiding the new driver thru life on the road
    • load securement
    • trip planning/managing HOS
    • showing how to utilize the skills they learned in CDL school to handle different real world scenarios.
    Unfortunately we end up spend a lot of time 'remediating skills'. I have lost track of the number of times I've had a yard jockey/dock worker/driver yell at me "this isn't a training yard, get it in the ***** hole of get the **** out!". There was one memorable occasion where I had my trainee backing at the Loves on I-74 SE of Indy. We were going in between two trucks, mid morning so we weren't blocking anything/anybody. My guy struggled with identifying when he wasn't on the right 'glide path' until he had the trailer at the hole. He could get it in unassisted, it just took forever and a day because he would have to pull all the way out and reset. I had my chalk and we were doing out thing - getting him out and making him mark where he thinks the trailer is heading, then getting back in and moving the truck 5 feet. It's a painstaking process, but works to visually show the path the trailer is taking. We hadn't gotten with 15 feet of either truck yet when the driver on the sight side got out, walked up to me and said "I know everyone's got to learn, but if that ******* so much as scratches my truck I'm going to kick your *** before pulling his *** out of the truck and beating his ###". Maybe if my guy's school had made him back into 10 foot wide spots I wouldn't have to deal with that stuff.

    There are two issues here.

    The first is that they go from cones to the real world in a hurry. My guy this week started with a 11'6 hole for his first back, a 14 foot hole with 50' in front for his second, and a 10'6" covered dock for his third. I don't need them to be pros, I need them to understand that they can't "fix it in the hole". So many guys just back the trailer to the hole and then try and pivot hard in. It works for a 12 foot wide hole with 65 feet in front when you are limited to 2 pull ups. It doesn't work in the real world, which leads to problem number 2.

    The CDL test is not a reliable indication of a person's ability to drive a CMV. My company does what amounts to an abbreviated CDL school (all new hires show up with a CDL). Day 1 involves a demo pretrip/couple, pump down, drive, back, post trip, and uncouple. Days 2 and 3 are for trainee to practice their skills and receive feedback and day 4 is the 'test' which is an easier version of the CDL test. There is absolutely no reason why anyone with a CDL shouldn't make it past the first week.

    I went to CDL school at Fox Valley Technical College. One of the instructors at the time was Roger, a founding member of the PTDI and consulted with FMCSA on creating the CDL test back in the late 80s. His opinion was that the CDL test was too lenient and wouldn't let anyone test until he thought they could score under a '10' on the test. I think Roger, one of the guys who made the test, would agree with this instructor.

    Your problem isn't with the size of the spot. Your problem is too many students for the equipment and space available.

    Very few people have weighed in on this. I think most of the long term posters would have no problem with an instructor who demands quality, but would have an issue with students standing around with their thumb up their [redacted].

    If you're "at the top of your class", and can "get it in a 10 foot box under two minutes", then why pull the drama queen move? The way you describe things, it sounds like students are practicing on their own - if you have such great skills and deep understanding of CMV pedagogy, why aren't you refining your skills by coaching the new students?
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