Do jake brakes damage the engine?

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  1. supersnackbar

    supersnackbar Road Train Member

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    No, it's the compression stroke that absorbs the energy, then releases it thru the exhaust. The vacuum is there whether or not you use the jake. Think of the compression stroke like a spring, as the piston moves up, it takes energy to compress it, and at/near the top of the stroke, the exhaust valve opens and releases that energy before it can return the energy back into the drive train. Sorta like, if you were jumping on a pogo stick, but as you reach the bottom, instead of the thing shooting you back up, the spring in the thing breaks and you stay at the bottom.
     
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  3. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    The only time I’ve ever heard anything even resembling this scenario was 20 years ago and that was about engine brakes on mechanical engines, since those can stall the engine if you turn it on at idle.

    I haven’t heard a word about it since, until now.
     
  4. Moose1958

    Moose1958 Road Train Member

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    Same here!
     
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  5. jason6541

    jason6541 Road Train Member

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    That is true, especially the speed shifting cowboys. You know accelerate use jake to drop rpm to grab next gear. Talk about a lot of unnecessary torque and wear.
     
  6. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    The strong vacuum is only there when the Jake is on. During normal off-throttle operation, it's as you describe, the compression pressure is still in the cylinder, dropping back to manifold pressure as the piston nears BDC. That can be a slight vacuum (roughly whatever your intake restriction gauge shows) , but nothing like the vacuum created by a piston moving down with valves closed after the Jake dumps the pressure.

    But the loss of the air spring effect is where most of the retarding power comes from, the vacuum is definitely secondary.
     
  7. spindrift

    spindrift Road Train Member

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    @Hammer166 your posts have provided the best explanation of engine braking I've ever seen.

    Should be a sticky somehow because the process is one of the driver's most important tools, but maybe the least understood.
     
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  8. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    Thanks. But it's really more info than you need to know how to use it, it's just kinda cool how it does work.
     
  9. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    I think a lot of my confusion with the subject is that I understand gasoline 4 stroke engines, but never owned or studied Diesel engines until later in life.

    Horizontally opposed Subaru motors, and Wankel rotary engines were enough to blow my tiny mind - finding out diesels didn’t have spark plugs and fired upon compression left me with a case of PTSD.
     
  10. spindrift

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    Knowledge is power...
     
  11. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    Wrap your head around these.
    Napier Deltic - Wikipedia
     
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